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Conwy Valley Line - Now Reopened

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Interestingly, during that same trip up the valley we noticed the very start of the Eisteddfod works.
Seems to be slower progress than for the same event outside Bala, many moons ago.
 
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They aren't going to stop it periodically ending up closed because the water level gets too high
One reason for this is that if waters pass a particular high water mark on some bridges, Network Rail want to inspect them before trains pass again.

Interestingly, during that same trip up the valley we noticed the very start of the Eisteddfod works.
Seems to be slower progress than for the same event outside Bala, many moons ago.
The slower progress may be due to the fact that the exact location of the site wasn't finalised until May of this year: the original plan had to be redrafted as the Eisteddfod's insurers decided that, having seen last year's floods, they weren't happy with the lay of the land chosen.
 

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One reason for this is that if waters pass a particular high water mark on some bridges, Network Rail want to inspect them before trains pass again.


The slower progress may be due to the fact that the exact location of the site wasn't finalised until May of this year: the original plan had to be redrafted as the Eisteddfod's insurers decided that, having seen last year's floods, they weren't happy with the lay of the land chosen.

This policy is in place on all lines across the country not just on the Conway line.
All bridges over rivers are liable to the effects of Scour where the abutments may be washed out by the passing water.
 

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This policy is in place on all lines across the country not just on the Conway line.
All bridges over rivers are liable to the effects of Scour where the abutments may be washed out by the passing water.
I'm not surprised that this is the case. Thanks for bringing up the technical details that I couldn't remember when I posted.

Understandably, I've encountered it far more often with the Conwy Valley than any other lines in the area. ;)
 

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I'm not surprised that this is the case. Thanks for bringing up the technical details that I couldn't remember when I posted.

Understandably, I've encountered it far more often with the Conwy Valley than any other lines in the area. ;)

NR will be only too mindful of the fatal train crash due to the Glanrhyd Bridge collapse (on the Central Wales line) on 19th October 1987.
 

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NR will be only too mindful of the fatal train crash due to the Glanrhyd Bridge collapse (on the Central Wales line) on 19th October 1987.
There have been too many near-repeats of that, with Lamington perhaps being the most potentially serious. Sometimes the Victorian engineers or their contractors skimped a bit, particularly on underground stuff that couldn't easily be checked afterwards, and climat change probably means they have to withstand more and faster flows than when they were built.
 

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Ness Bridge collapse in February 1989 , not long after a freight had passed over.
 

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They also have announced a couple of drop in sessions where there will be an update questions can be asked.

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/news/...ongoing-work-to-repair-the-conwy-valley-line/
I was in the Llanrwst area this afternoon, and dropped in for a look. Here are some highlights and a few pictures:

Network Rail are funded to maintain the current railway, so the current works are just repairing what's been washed out. (Any pre-emptive strengthening or replacement would need dedicated funding to be allocated.) A representative estimated that perhaps 40% of the alignment around Llanrwst has been rebuild over the past decades.

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One exhibit showed a rebuilt embankment with large rocks along either side (like a coastal breakwater) and a waterproof layer along the formation itself to stop the ballast and subgrade being destabilised and washed away.

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Another exhibit showed one of roughly half a dozen culverts that are being fitted in other rebuilt areas. Much of the damage to the alignment was caused by flood water that was stuck the wrong side of the railway line. The river overflows its banks south of Llanrwst due to the water slowing down as it navigates the two tight bends south of the town. On this occasion, this water overcame a (non-railway) embankment of 10m, and flowed north into the town. The railway embankment (11m high) was then caught between this flood water and the river itself. As the river level dropped, the water trapped on the other side washed out the embankment.

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To deal with this, the number of culverts in the area is being doubled, so that flood water can get back to the river without damaging the railway. As mentioned, NR are only funded to repair what breaks, so they're not able to put culverts in any other (un-breached) areas as a preventative measure. The engineer I spoke to did note that they intend to keep their current designs on file, so that if another portion of the line is breached in the future, they'll have a ready-to go solution so they can spend less time at the design board, and get the shovels in quicker.

There was also a TfW representative there. He confirmed that the first 230s would be sent to the Borderlands (around the autumn) but wasnt' sure if later units would be used on the Conwy Valley. He was able to tell me that they're aiming to reopen the line as far as Llanrwst in mid-July (14th, iirc) and throughout a week later.

For the National Eisteddfod in August, there are discussions taking place (today, as it happens) about strengthening services, and possibly operating a shuttle service to Llanrwst to supplement the normal three-hourly service. I hope to hear more details by email about this in the coming days.
 

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So it seems we have dates for the reopening of the Conwy Valley line.

Thursday 18th July as far as Llanrwst north and the rest of the line up to Blaenau Ffestiniog will be open again from Wednesday 24th July.
 

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So it seems we have dates for the reopening of the Conwy Valley line.

Thursday 18th July as far as Llanrwst north and the rest of the line up to Blaenau Ffestiniog will be open again from Wednesday 24th July.
The weekly notice states "Please note that the entire line of Blaenau Ffestiniog branch from Llandudno Junction" will be brought back into use from 16 July (freight)/18 July (passenger).

Realtimetrains has 'not buses any more' from 13 July.

So it's all a bit confusing!
 

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Well as the Conwy valley hasn't seen any freight in years it doesn't make much sense to even mention it.

As for RTT it gets updated a week at a time so that explains that.
 

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The weekly notice states "Please note that the entire line of Blaenau Ffestiniog branch from Llandudno Junction" will be brought back into use from 16 July (freight)/18 July (passenger).

Realtimetrains has 'not buses any more' from 13 July.

So it's all a bit confusing!
I suspect RTT just hasn't had the buses put in manually for days beyond the 12th yet. It's been the same since the tail end of last week, at least.

There's a "freight" working on the line on Thursday the 18th, from Bangor C.S. to Crewe via Blaenau: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U09740/2019/07/18/advanced . A Network Rail vehicle, perhaps, or a route refresher? (Though I'd have expected it to run before the route reopened to traffic.)
 

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I was in the Llanrwst area this afternoon, and dropped in for a look.

So it seems we have dates for the reopening of the Conwy Valley line.

Thursday 18th July as far as Llanrwst north and the rest of the line up to Blaenau Ffestiniog will be open again from Wednesday 24th July.

Thank you both for the updates. I've been wanting to travel the Conwy valley line since we moved to North Wales 10 years ago.


...only for it to close next time it rains

I'm going to try and pick a weekend in August or September.


Oddly we've done the Ffestiniog Railway and the Llanberis Lake Railway but not Conwy Valley or Welsh Highland railway.
 
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Nothing on the TFW website about the impending reopening yet.
Wondering if there'll be any additional trains for the Eisteddod in Llanwrst at the begining of August. The Eisteddfod website is advertising North Llanwrst as the best station to use for the event.
 

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Nothing on the TFW website about the impending reopening yet.
Wondering if there'll be any additional trains for the Eisteddod in Llanwrst at the begining of August. The Eisteddfod website is advertising North Llanwrst as the best station to use for the event.

https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/216433.aspx


Following severe flooding on Friday 15 and Saturday 16 March, damage has occurred to the infrastructure in multiple locations along the Conwy Valley line. Trains are currently unable to run between Llandudno Junction and Blaenau Ffestiniog.

The line is expected to reopen in phases - between Llandudno Junction and North Llanrwst on Thursday 18 July, and then the full route to Blaenau Ffestiniog on Wednesday 24 July. These dates are subject to change.
 

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Nothing on the TFW website about the impending reopening yet.
Wondering if there'll be any additional trains for the Eisteddod in Llanwrst at the begining of August. The Eisteddfod website is advertising North Llanwrst as the best station to use for the event.
Neither North Llanrwst nor Llanrwst stations are particularly close to where the 'maes' is, and North Llanrwst is more convenient to operate the shuttle bus service from. (It also makes it more practical to run extra shuttle trains while the service train is in the Llanrwst-Blaenau section.)

Extra trains were being discussed on the 27th, as I mentioned above. I'd hoped for an update on the situation by email, but I suspect my dodgy handwriting may have meant the message got misdelivered.
 

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Extra trains were being discussed on the 27th, as I mentioned above. I'd hoped for an update on the situation by email, but I suspect my dodgy handwriting may have meant the message got misdelivered.
If they do intend running extra trains, then they need to pull their finger out. People who are booking their Eisteddfod and associated tickets now will know nothing about them, as there aren't any extra trains in the timetable.
 

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The weekly notice states "Please note that the entire line of Blaenau Ffestiniog branch from Llandudno Junction" will be brought back into use from 16 July (freight)/18 July (passenger).

Realtimetrains has 'not buses any more' from 13 July.

So it's all a bit using!
The buses have now been extended to the 17th on Realtimetrains, so things are back in sync again.
 
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If they do intend running extra trains, then they need to pull their finger out. People who are booking their Eisteddfod and associated tickets now will know nothing about them, as there aren't any extra trains in the timetable.
Just had a Twiiter reply from someone at the Conwy Valley Line Partnership. She confirmed that there are to be 'additional enhanced services', with full details to follow in due course. The tweet in question is here (https://twitter.com/Melanie_Lawton/status/1149311807540125696) if anyones interested :)
 

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Nothing on the TFW website about the impending reopening yet.
Wondering if there'll be any additional trains for the Eisteddod in Llanwrst at the begining of August. The Eisteddfod website is advertising North Llanwrst as the best station to use for the event.

Although the re-opening dates are shown on NRE Website, TFW will not publish anything on Journey Check until, as they say, the dates are DEFINITE
 

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Why are the buses starting at Dolgarrog if the train is running as far as North Llanrwst?
 
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