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thealm
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How many have been delivered now?
As far as I know, that's only TfW's second, 002 being the first. That makes four in total, to my knowledge, with 434 and 456 completed for Northern ages ago. Haven't had any updates on their other six for a while, though, so that number may be greater by now. The HydroFlex project was recently completed, as well, so, depending on whether you count that or not, that takes the number up to five. All 319s earmarked for conversion have moved out of storage now too, with one or two exceptions.
thealm
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And they said these would be ready by May 2018
Yes, it's safe to say progress has been slow with the 769s to say the least. It's got to the point where some people are calling for the project to be cancelled, but I'm really hoping that doesn't happen, as 319s were my favourite EMU back in the day when they were on Thameslink.
samuelmorris
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If training commences then, is there an estimate for how long between then and passenger service, based on how many drivers would need to be trained? 2-3 months? Would December timetable change be possible?
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there are still 3 /0s and 4 /4s to be delivered; only 2 /0s have been delivered so far!
samuelmorris
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It does seem a bit tight, but as per the main 769 thread, I've no idea how usable the units that have been delivered actually are.
anamyd
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as far as I know they're just moving around the depot on their own power, nothing more than that yet
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TfW are currently saying they expect 769s to be in passenger service by September!
That seems pretty unrealistic given that no driver training has started yet.
That seems pretty unrealistic given that no driver training has started yet.
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unrealistic and optimistic!
whilst i fully agree "in service" is or can be " unrealistic and optimistic"
in service can mean virtually anything for example a train will run a service all be it every other sunday in august or a sunday in july and again in september or perhaps the school run on a friday evening
they can all be operating the full required service
unless they state the actual service they will cover as in "3 full daily diagrams covering an average 14 hours in passenger service " what "in service " means has no real value
in service can mean virtually anything for example a train will run a service all be it every other sunday in august or a sunday in july and again in september or perhaps the school run on a friday evening
they can all be operating the full required service
unless they state the actual service they will cover as in "3 full daily diagrams covering an average 14 hours in passenger service " what "in service " means has no real value
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true!
Pretty unrealistic as Northern are planning on having theirs in use for December, and the training timescales are starting to get tight for this.
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I wouldn't believe any of the dates TfW are giving for anything right now.
A quick look at their website shows you many dates that won't be made, and some (such as getting TVM's for all South Wales Metro stations for April 2019) already having been missed.
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The exhaust stack problem has been discussed in the Northern 769 thread. My understanding is that bigger exhaust stacks than those on the 150s are needed for modern emissions control.
And the exhaust systems are part of the engine for emission testing purposes so alterations need to get re-certified and there is a massive backlog at all the test houses due to the changes - mainly the use of the new on road drive cycle.
anthony263
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769002 has been seen shunting around Canton depot under it's own power. Heard local rumour 769008 has a issue with its 2 gen sets not talking to each other and another rumour says it fine just the exhaust pipes needing replacing and then new paperwork
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So to sum up, it's a farce. TfW must be praying for a miracle for December TT introduction, I'd say chances are nil for a September passenger service introduction.
PHILIPE
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I'm wondering that now the both the 37s will be working the Rhymney services from tomorrow and as training would have progressed, if they will be able release crews to train on the 769s.
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I'm pretty sure crew training on the 37s + Mk 2's is continuing throughout the day with one of the sets being TnT.
ok my thoughts
"not talking" is more likely to be an easy issue to solve if a unit specific problem
i would expect once the first unit is up and running and type approved further units that will all ready be fully up to pre teething stage will come on line very quickly at the rate the adaptions from the teething stages take to apply
you would expect added resources at a level sufficient to reduce further delays to be used on a cost damage basis
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https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/...s-apologises-passengers-overcrowding-16736481
November for the first 769 according to TfW, quote towards the end of this article. It doesn't say how this will affect the Pacer withdrawal. I assume keeping the 37s past 2019 would help, if they're allowed to continue using Mk IIs?
November for the first 769 according to TfW, quote towards the end of this article. It doesn't say how this will affect the Pacer withdrawal. I assume keeping the 37s past 2019 would help, if they're allowed to continue using Mk IIs?
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The 769 introduction date has slipped so many times, it's impossible to believe any 'firm' introduction date.
What's obvious is that withdrawing 30 Pacers in December will lead to serious overcrowding with virtually nothing to replace them.
anthony263
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Someone in Cardiff bay needs to wake up and see the problem approaching. If they have refused tfw permission to carry on using at least the 143s then expect a backlash from customers
I know there are more pressing issues to getting these trains into service, but are the seats on the 769 for TfW and GWR getting replaced ?
From a passengers point of view when operating Thameslink services, the seats were the biggest let down.
Far too low, leading to poor legroom. Lack of baggage space. Rather than just a refurb of the cloth, they would create more space, legroom and stowage if they installed more upright seating. Might even achieve extra seating.
From a passengers point of view when operating Thameslink services, the seats were the biggest let down.
Far too low, leading to poor legroom. Lack of baggage space. Rather than just a refurb of the cloth, they would create more space, legroom and stowage if they installed more upright seating. Might even achieve extra seating.
PHILIPE
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There is some discussion here It's said to be a rumour but, if true, who refused ?
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/atw-keolis-amey-wales-stock-shortages.166304/page-62 #Post 1852
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Why should they care,they will be seen as the first authority to keep to their word on getting rid of pacers!(now England will be keeping some for longer)
Stock shortage is TOCs problem!
anthony263
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In rail magazine that tfw are retaining the 37s into next year
PHILIPE
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There is a picture on the TFW Livery thread of one vehicle of a 769 poking out of the shed at Canton in TFW Livery. Suggest that anything regarding the livery is kept to that thread and no discussion on the livery continued here
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