If TfW want the 8 units they are rumoured to be requesting then it will be some 142s that are not due major maintenance before the end of the year. If TfW don't want any then it will likely be which ever units are most likely to breakdown or require work.
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If TfW want the 8 units they are rumoured to be requesting then it will be some 142s that are not due major maintenance before the end of the year. If TfW don't want any then it will likely be which ever units are most likely to breakdown or require work.
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PHILIPE
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TFW say nothing about expecting these so still looks like a rumour as it has been up until now.
anamyd
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they wouldn't mention them though would they, being Pacers! and actually I recall a TfW staff RailUKforums member mentioning that they are planned and he's the one doing the planning!
I'm suprised they don't chuck a few more pairs out at weekends. There are probaby enough units. I had a similar experience travelling from Barrow to Lancaster in 2015. Full from Barrow, then a few stops further along, around 50 walkers got on. Totally packed from end to end. Then it started to drizzle so all the wheels locked up at the next stop so it had wheel flats. Fortunately it got to Lancaster just in time for the last connection to Crewe.
Some of the 313s have been towed for scrap around 36 hours after their last passenger working. Once the new trains settle in, I expect the same will happen with the Pacers.
anamyd
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except 142-001 (museum exhibit), and the ones that will become "village halls", cafés, the rooms of Pacer hotels, platform waiting rooms, etc
cactustwirly
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except 142-001 (museum exhibit), and the ones that will become "village halls", cafés, the rooms of Pacer hotels, platform waiting rooms, etc
Or razor blades
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If it's going into preservation, I'd put that towards the bottom of the withdrawal list along with 144 012.
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Aluminium razor blades? They've got alloy bodiesOr razor blades
superkev
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142s bodies are steel I believe. 144s have al panels on steel frames.
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Coke cans then
Some of the body parts would be useful for anyone restoring a Leyland National bus of which there are an healthy number in preservation.
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It appears that the entire fleet of Class 144 units will be in use until the middle of next year exclusively for South Yorkshires's benefit
https://www.railmagazine.com/news/n...xt-year?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
"Pacers will continue to operate in the South Yorkshire area, Northern has confirmed.
The operator had planned to remove its 102-strong fleet from traffic by the end of the year, but has now been forced to retain its 23 Class 144s into 2020 owing to late delivery of the CAF Class 195 and ‘331’ units as well as ongoing delays to the Class 769 FLEX project.
Senior sources, speaking to RAIL on July 22, said that the ‘144s’ were being retained as they are slightly more modern than the ‘142s’, and have better interiors.
The fact that they are all maintained at one depot (Neville Hill) is another reason, as is keeping them on the duties they operate now as Northern needs to continue training drivers on its new train fleets.
In principle, the plan is for the ‘144s’ to operate short-distance services in the Sheffield area, with a planned run-down of the fleet so that they are all withdrawn by the middle of the year. An exact date has not been revealed."
https://www.railmagazine.com/news/n...xt-year?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
"Pacers will continue to operate in the South Yorkshire area, Northern has confirmed.
The operator had planned to remove its 102-strong fleet from traffic by the end of the year, but has now been forced to retain its 23 Class 144s into 2020 owing to late delivery of the CAF Class 195 and ‘331’ units as well as ongoing delays to the Class 769 FLEX project.
Senior sources, speaking to RAIL on July 22, said that the ‘144s’ were being retained as they are slightly more modern than the ‘142s’, and have better interiors.
The fact that they are all maintained at one depot (Neville Hill) is another reason, as is keeping them on the duties they operate now as Northern needs to continue training drivers on its new train fleets.
In principle, the plan is for the ‘144s’ to operate short-distance services in the Sheffield area, with a planned run-down of the fleet so that they are all withdrawn by the middle of the year. An exact date has not been revealed."
I guess it makes sense. The best of a bad fleet + all based in one depot + slightly more capacity than 8 x 769s. It will be interesting to see if 153s will be kept longer too. Still looking like a batch of 142s will leave Northern next month, which is a good thing!
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hopefully those 142s go to TfW!
61653 HTAFC
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More like "hopefully those 142s will all be the MerseyTravel abominations!"
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And if they are, despite how short of trains they are, I doubt very much that TfW will want them.
Its been strongly rumoured in recent months. Members who work for TfW have confirmed its on the table, not definite though. If TfW don't want them they will likely go to Booths within days or weeks.
jonesy3001
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whats happening with 142001 is it going into heritage livery or staying in northern purple before it goes to the NRM?
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Why would TfW want the Merseytravel Pacers? There's no legroom for even the shortest height person on them. Might as well rip the seats out and just have them as standing only trains.
61653 HTAFC
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For avoidance of doubt, my mention of MerseyTravel 142s was purely in the hope that they'll be the first ones to go- I wasn't wishing them on the Welsh by any means!
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I imagine TfW are desperate for any additional stock they can get their hands on as they scramble to get the fleet sorted for January. The fact some 142's are becoming available and already fit with their existing fleet is a bonus.
It's interesting that it's the 144s that are being retained and for potentially 6 months, I wonder if they have to be paired with a compliant unit or not in 2020? Seeing as the 144s don't tend to seem to get paired much with other units(with perhaps the exception of 142s) then it will be interesting how they will be allocated.
Im just happy some common sence has applied here though, passengers should come before any political decisions.
Be interesting too see if all the 142s do actually get withdrawn by the end of the year. I think I read a post on here the next lot of 195s may enter service around the 10th of august so maybe that date(or there abouts) will be when the first lot of pacers will go?
Im just happy some common sence has applied here though, passengers should come before any political decisions.
Be interesting too see if all the 142s do actually get withdrawn by the end of the year. I think I read a post on here the next lot of 195s may enter service around the 10th of august so maybe that date(or there abouts) will be when the first lot of pacers will go?
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If the door issues on 195s persist, as appears to be the case from some posts on here, there could well be quite a few 142s in service next year. If you don’t deal with problems like that they will end up blowing up in your face. All it needs is for the door to catch the trailing leg of an alighting passenger and them ending up on the track and the entire fleet could be withdrawn from service.
I meant 142s in general.
Well would you rather have those or no extra capacity at all?
Being 6ft 1, I empathize with you. However, there are units that are worse; last week I travelled on a Class 153 trio. Two carriages had Richmond seats with no room to get my legs in. Fortunately, the third carriage had Chapman seats which was a bit better.
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I do hope the ex Merseyrail units are the first to go.
I'm trying to get as many Pacer workings in as much as possible between Bingley and Morecambe.
Last Saturday night I had 144023 on the 1918 Leeds to Lancaster,followed by the terrible 142056 between Lancaster and Morecambe. I was doing an all night fishing trip to Heysham and I was joking to my none enthusiast friend we wouldn't be on this train (142056) in the morning heading back to Bingley.
To my horror, the 1041 to Leeds was sat in platform......it was 142056. I could not believe it as I thought the incoming 0830 from Leeds would be making the return journey home.
The only positives of that return trip was the fact it was carrying a very healthy amount of passengers which can only be a good thing for the Bentham Line.
Back on topic,I really do hope these are the first to go, followed by the bench type 142s.
I'm trying to get as many Pacer workings in as much as possible between Bingley and Morecambe.
Last Saturday night I had 144023 on the 1918 Leeds to Lancaster,followed by the terrible 142056 between Lancaster and Morecambe. I was doing an all night fishing trip to Heysham and I was joking to my none enthusiast friend we wouldn't be on this train (142056) in the morning heading back to Bingley.
To my horror, the 1041 to Leeds was sat in platform......it was 142056. I could not believe it as I thought the incoming 0830 from Leeds would be making the return journey home.
The only positives of that return trip was the fact it was carrying a very healthy amount of passengers which can only be a good thing for the Bentham Line.
Back on topic,I really do hope these are the first to go, followed by the bench type 142s.
You were unlucky with that allocation as your usually right that the 1041 train to Leeds would be your train that comes from Leeds and 142056 would of done the Morecambe branch all day but for some unknown reason, there was not a single service all day on Sunday, no cancellations, just no services!
Do agree about hm the ex merseyrail units need to go first as most of them look and are quite shabby, the bench seat pacers can be quite mixed with some decent ones and some poor ones whilst the ex northern spirits 142s are imo the most comfortable in terms of seating and I noticed Northern has been removing some of the side seats to allow extra space for bikes which was the only downside to those units.
Still a little skeptical that all 79 units will be withdrawn from August to the end of December, sounds such a short time frame to me?
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It was 142055 which worked the 0830 from Leeds Paul. I too thought that 142056 was just working the shuttle's between Morecambe and Lancaster.
Your also right about no trains working that day on the line......instead of waiting at Morecambe for the rail replacement bus we decided to walk to Lancaster along the old Green Ayre railway path.
The ex Arriva Trains North/ Northern Spirit examples I would definitely keep.They are actually not too bad for an hour and half long journey. The ex Merseyrail examples are just dreadful. The seats are bad enough,but the leg room is appalling. I'm only 5"8 so anyone taller has my upmost sympathy!
I cannot see them being withdrawn by the end of the year too. Perhaps what Northern should have done is kept the seats from the trains they are refurbishing and stick them into the the ex Merseyrail and ex First North Western examples.
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