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GWR Dec 19 timetable

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Does anyone know what's happening with the weekend morning London-Bristol-Penzance services?

I personally wouldn't happy at these being withdrawn as it would mean more passengers pushed onto other already busy Devon & Cornwall-bound trains.

Plus it would mean the end of direct trains to the South West from Didcot, Swindon, Chippenham and Bath which therefore would mean no 10-coach service from Bristol to the South West, which would also be a reduction of over 600 seats!
I am wondering this too, re. 1C04 and 1A35. If work sends me for afternoon jobs into Devon and, in particular, Cornwall I am liable to end up on 1A35 coming back up as I live in Bristol. It is a most useful service so I hope they keep that one on especially as alternative routes to Bristol after around 1900hrs on weekdays are somewhat limited.

If 1A35 does change to go via. Westbury (I shouldn't think it will: it is quite busy with passengers to Bristol TM) then my guess is that anyone on 1A35 would have to change at Taunton onto 1A37 (2128 Taunton - London Paddington via. Bristol Temple Meads) which leaves Taunton about 13 minutes after 1A35 on the current schedules.

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From my understanding, the 0730 ex-Padd will terminate at Bristol TM with an 0803 Padd-Penzance via the B&H. However the 1750 Penzance-Padd will continue to run via Bristol TM.
 

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From my understanding, the 0730 ex-Padd will terminate at Bristol TM with an 0803 Padd-Penzance via the B&H. However the 1750 Penzance-Padd will continue to run via Bristol TM.

Will there be a replacement service from Bristol to Penzance or at least Exeter to connect to the Penzance service?
 

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Will there be a replacement service from Bristol to Penzance or at least Exeter to connect to the Penzance service?

I suspect there’s a Cardiff-Penzance service which will provide a through journey although likely to have slower timings as I think they are extensions of Taunton semi-fasts.
 

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I suspect there’s a Cardiff-Penzance service which will provide a through journey although likely to have slower timings as I think they are extensions of Taunton semi-fasts.

There is currently a morning Cardiff - Penzance service (2C69) which operates on weekdays, however looking at Realtime Trains it appears to be being scaled back to Plymouth with additional stops in the May timetable.

In the liked pdfs above, it would appear that 2C67 might likely run to Penzance in the December timetable instead of Paignton as now, unless I'm mistaken.
 

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Cross-post from here: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/gwr-class-800.100841/page-383#post-3983266

In an IET world reading to London should be 24 minutes which would be a 5 minute saving over what we are getting.

Read the timetable more carefully. It’s not showing 27-29 minutes from Reading to Paddington.

The notion there’s no improvement is laughable - the current 0647 Penzance to London gets into Paddington at 1221. In the draft new timetable it leaves 28 minutes later at 0715 and arrives just 7 minutes later at 1228, saving a whopping 21 minutes - the only change to stopping pattern being losing the Westbury call. That’s including the much longer dwell at Plymouth from December.
 
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The two Paddington to Bristol TM trains per hour via Bristol Parkway (off-peak) are intended to be delivered during the validity of the December 2019 timetable, so not straight-away, but at some point by the following May.

1h 19m is the typical time from London IIRC, and a couple of minutes more the other way.

1h 19m - Is this from Paddington to BPW or BRS?

In fact, what journey times can we expect between Paddington and BPW?
 

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1h 19m - Is this from Paddington to BPW or BRS?

In fact, what journey times can we expect between Paddington and BPW?

They don’t go to Berrylands; the 89 minute headline figure is to Temple Meads. Journeys from Paddington to Parkway non-stop should be around 70 minutes.
 

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I did see the 1hr 10mins quoted somewhere, along with the other times to and from Paddington several years back, but can't locate the source anymore, hopefully as we closer, we'll see the official timetable.
 

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In the 2015 GW franchise brief, it stated the Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads “fastest time” was to be 79 mins (via Parkway), and the “typical time” was to be 90 mins (route not stated).
 

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Any more news?

I had an internal email yesterday which included a link to some briefing notes regarding the new timetable. Not a full draft but detailed enough to get a good idea of how it will work. So I imagine it’s looking good to go in December, I doubt I’d have been sent it otherwise.
 

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I had an internal email yesterday which included a link to some briefing notes regarding the new timetable. Not a full draft but detailed enough to get a good idea of how it will work. So I imagine it’s looking good to go in December, I doubt I’d have been sent it otherwise.

Please share when you are able to.
 

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Indeed. Eurostar is a good example of a flagship service which for operational reasons (presumably) doesn't use round-hour times.
Isn't that because its journey paths have to fit in at Lille with the rest of SNCFs TGV Nord services which take priority?
 

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It is permissible from Paddington to have 10/25/40/55 departures followed by 12/27/42/57 as 2 minutes headways are permitted behind EMUs... but this must become 2.5 minutes at Ladbroke Grove.

The main constraint with 20tph is that the flow of outward (or inward) trains has no breaks in it...so no gaps either cross to arrive in Platform 1 or depart from a high platform to the Down Main. So 19tph is the practical maximum.
We sorely lack diveunders and flyovers on the approach to Paddington to prevent conflicting movements that would facilitate some extra paths and aid service recovery.
 

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Paddington throat and platform capacity is the most significant constraint on the GWML timetable. The planning headway on the Main Lines is now 2 mins all the way to Reading, following either electric or diesel traction, although if the second train is naturally faster then obviously it will be subjected to pathing time allowances.
 

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Just seen this in the Banbury Guardian (www.banburyguardian.co.uk)...

Speedier Banbury to London train on its way...
Great Western Railway, which serves Banbury, will speeds up its timetable from December, offering faster journey times and more frequent services to key locations. Train services between the North Cotswolds via Oxford and London will be restructured to deliver a more consistent service pattern throughout the day. It is the biggest timetable change on the network since 1976, GWR’s Intercity Express Trains (IETs) will take advantage of recent infrastructure improvements to deliver a series of improvements. In restructuring the timetable GWR will be able to offer a new direct IET fast service between Banbury and London Paddington during the peak periods removing the requirement to change trains at Oxford for customers traveling to and from Banbury.

This will offer an increase in capacity and reduce journey times to 1 hour 8 minutes from the current 1 hour 34 minutes at the same time in the evening peak. GWR managing director Mark Hopwood said: “While December may seem a long time away for many, we have been working hard behind the scenes to prepare to implement the biggest timetable change on this network since 1976, enabling us to take advantage of the full benefits that new Intercity Express Trains are bringing. In providing more frequent and quicker journeys, our new timetable will for the vast majority of users quite literally mean ‘all change please’ and we are looking forward to publishing further details soon.”

Lord Richard Faulkner, chair of the North Cotswolds Line Taskforce said: “This is excellent news for the economies of Oxfordshire, Gloucestershire and Worcestershire. More trains and faster journeys will help with inward investment, and will be a great support for visitors and commuters alike. The switch from cars to public transport will be good for the environment, and we expect this to accelerate with the opening of the new Worcestershire Parkway station." He added: “We will continue to press for more doubling of the line so that in time we can achieve our plans for two trains an hour between Worcestershire and London, but it is great to see meanwhile that by Christmas we will be able to see the benefit of the current investment in both tracks and trains.”

A minimum hourly standard pattern through service, with some peak time additional trains will also be provided between London Paddington and the North Cotswolds.

Mike Gallop, interim route managing director for Network Rail, said: “The timetable change this December will be the biggest since 1976 and will mean faster journeys and more frequent services for passengers. It follows unprecedented investment in railway infrastructure including electrification, improved signalling, upgraded stations and much more which together with the introduction of new trains will transform rail travel.”

The planned improvements are so significant, particularly for those who travel regularly and used to catching a particular service every day, that GWR is launching an awareness campaign to highlight the changes ahead, and make sure customers are prepared. The timetable is expected to come into effect on 15 December, and the plans are subject to final industry approval including from Network Rail. It is expected to be published on 15 September.

Am I reading this right? Banbury will get peak IET services to Paddington? It's not really clear on how many, but I must admit, I was a tad surprised. I thought GWR regarded Banbury as an outpost, and only really provided the minimum for the franchise commitments?
 

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There are a lot of new posts on the GWR website with titles starting "Biggest timetable change since the 70s now only 150 days away..."

https://www.gwr.com/about-us/media-centre/news

For example:
Friday 19th July 2019

Bristol train services will be transformed from December, as Great Western Railway speeds up its timetable, offering faster journey times and more frequent services to key locations.

Additional train services will help reduce train times into London by as much as 17 minutes, and reduce journey times from Bristol Parkway to just 67 minutes when GWR introduces its first wholesale timetable change since the 1970s, this December.

The new timetable will provide 20,000 additional seats a day through Bristol Temple Meads, and 15,000 through Bristol Parkway.

I wonder when the detailed new timetable will be released.
 
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There are a lot of new posts on the GWR website with titles starting "Biggest timetable change since the 70s now only 150 days away..."

https://www.gwr.com/about-us/media-centre/news

For example:


I wonder when the detailed new timetable will be released.

Is it actually the biggest change since the 1970s?
For example, the time when they introduced the current pattern (around 2004 or so? with xx00 and xx30 to Bristol and xx15 and xx45 to South Wales, when it was the reverse prior to that) was IIRC a pretty big change.

Looking at the draft at the top of this thread, the new timetable looks _considerably_ more similar to the current timetable than the current timetable does to the 1983/84 timetable (the earliest Western timetable I have something of a memory of) for example. 83/84 had hourly services to Swansea and Bristol (and IIRC in some hours the Bristol service changed to some other point in the hour), half hourly 'stoppers' between Reading and Paddington (one from Oxford as now, so half the current frequency), roughly hourly but not clockface Oxford fast services and NO regular off peak services to the Cotswolds or the Kennet Valley, for example.

Reminds me of when the SWT 2004 timetable was billed as the biggest change since some pre-1980 date, when I remember equally big timetable changes in 1989, 1997 and 1999, for example.
 
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Yes, just the two each way per day so nothing to get too exited about.

Nominal details here: https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...grams-allocations.153431/page-66#post-4111571

Thanks.

I wouldn't have expected them to stop at Banbury to Oxford intermediate stations, seeing as GWR are pushing the 'fast service' line.

Does make me think of the old days. When I was a kid (1970s), there was an evening train from Paddington that terminated at Banbury at around 7.30 p.m. It was generally class 50 hauled, which made a change from 47's. - happy days!!

I'm assuming the rest of the day will be the Class 165 stoppers to Didcot?
 

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I'm guessing that Chiltern have been making inroads into GWR's Oxford traffic, so they fancy a bit of Banbury?
 

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I'm guessing that Chiltern have been making inroads into GWR's Oxford traffic, so they fancy a bit of Banbury?

I did wonder about that.

There is something in the back of my mind from a few years ago (before the Banbury resignalling) where on of the requirements was from GWR, saying they wanted to improve services to Banbury.
 

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Thanks.

I wouldn't have expected them to stop at Banbury to Oxford intermediate stations, seeing as GWR are pushing the 'fast service' line.

Does make me think of the old days. When I was a kid (1970s), there was an evening train from Paddington that terminated at Banbury at around 7.30 p.m. It was generally class 50 hauled, which made a change from 47's. - happy days!!

I'm assuming the rest of the day will be the Class 165 stoppers to Didcot?

Yes, not much will change there.
 

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There are a lot of new posts on the GWR website with titles starting "Biggest timetable change since the 70s now only 150 days away..."
Just been having a look at the Devon & Cornwall one. I should think that commuters on the Barnstaple line will be glad of the earlier arrival into Exeter St. Davids. I think the Barnstaple services are to terminate at Exeter Central from December though so that should be quite a good improvement. I live in Bristol but use the Barnstaple line for work sometimes so will be glad of the timetable consistency.

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Just been having a look at the Devon & Cornwall one. I should think that commuters on the Barnstaple line will be glad of the earlier arrival into Exeter St. Davids. I think the Barnstaple services are to terminate at Exeter Central from December though so that should be quite a good improvement. I live in Bristol but use the Barnstaple line for work sometimes so will be glad of the timetable consistency.

Dave

Barnstaple services are intended to run to St James Park unless anything changes. It wouldn't be very popular if they were not to serve the City Centre so if 3 x 3 Car 158s are used there would be time to achieve this..
 

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The Heathrow Express Dec 19 schedules are now present in the open data stream.

Maintains the 7 day, 4 tph frequency.
Same departures from Paddington as current at xx10 / 25 / 40 / 55

As said earlier, only platform 7 in use.

Departures from Heathrow Central (pad arr in brackets) SX (although arrivals at pad vary a little on saturday and sunday)
xx02 (xx17) / 17 (xx32) / 32 (xx47) / 47 (xx02) all departures on the half minute.

Sat and Sun arrivals: either - xx03/04 / xx18/19 / xx33/34 / xx48/50.

I do see some odd pathing and engineering allowance placements here and there - it's by no means consistent throughout each slot in the hour, but each hour slot does tend to give the same placement. It will all fit together when the rest of jigsaw is published (hopefully) soon.

I thought I would shove it all here, as it's closely related to GWRs timetable.
 
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