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I notice that there are no fixed link transfer time between Waterloo East and most London Terminals except London Waterloo and Elephant & Castle

For the sake of calculation (particular for Delay Repay), can I use the calculation as:
Connection time from any London Terminal to London Waterloo + 1 minute transfer time to Waterloo East + 4 minutes dwelling time?

For example:
Euston - Waterloo East:
15 minutes (EUS) + 25 minutes (Tube) + 1 minute (WAT-WAE) + 4 minutes (WAE)
 
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I notice that there are no fixed link transfer time between Waterloo East and most London Terminals except London Waterloo and Elephant & Castle

For the sake of calculation (particular for Delay Repay), can I use the calculation as:
Connection time from any London Terminal to London Waterloo + 1 minute transfer time to Waterloo East + 4 minutes dwelling time?

For example:
Euston - Waterloo East:
15 minutes (EUS) + 25 minutes (Tube) + 1 minute (WAT-WAE) + 4 minutes (WAE)
You need to add in interchange time at Waterloo between the tube and the walk legs otherwise this would always offer connections at Waterloo east onto trains that you wouldn’t make at London Charing Cross (which I assume is what you trying to do).
 

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You need to add in interchange time at Waterloo between the tube and the walk legs otherwise this would always offer connections at Waterloo east onto trains that you wouldn’t make at London Charing Cross (which I assume is what you trying to do).
Yeah, actually, I quoted the tube time from the NR journey time planner, which the tube time includes transit time between the entrance of tube station to platform and travel time in tube...
 

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Why would you go from Euston to Waterloo East? Surely you’d go from Euston to Charing Cross and join the same train there?
 

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Why would you go from Euston to Waterloo East? Surely you’d go from Euston to Charing Cross and join the same train there?
I will be arriving at London Marylebone in 2312. When checking at BrTimes, there's not enough official interchange time between MYB and Charing Cross (43 min, 7 minutes short) or London Bridge (52 min, 5 minutes short). But if my assumption on journey time calculation is right, then going to Waterloo East (42 min) would be a valid connection and be safe.
 

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I will be arriving at London Marylebone in 2312. When checking at BrTimes, there's not enough official interchange time between MYB and Charing Cross (43 min, 7 minutes short) or London Bridge (52 min, 5 minutes short). But if my assumption on journey time calculation is right, then going to Waterloo East (42 min) would be a valid connection and be safe.
Except it isn't.
 

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I will be arriving at London Marylebone in 2312. When checking at BrTimes, there's not enough official interchange time between MYB and Charing Cross (43 min, 7 minutes short) or London Bridge (52 min, 5 minutes short). But if my assumption on journey time calculation is right, then going to Waterloo East (42 min) would be a valid connection and be safe.

I'm not sure you can argue it that way. I suspect you'd need to add 15 minutes in for Waterloo somewhere.

Marylebone - Charing Cross is direct on the Bakerloo Line. Waterloo is also on the Bakerloo Line but one station further.

It is therefore reasonable to assume that the interchange time between Marylebone - Waterloo is longer than Marylebone - Charing Cross
 

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I'm not sure you can argue it that way. I suspect you'd need to add 15 minutes in for Waterloo somewhere.

Marylebone - Charing Cross is direct on the Bakerloo Line. Waterloo is also on the Bakerloo Line but one station further.

It is therefore reasonable to assume that the interchange time between Marylebone - Waterloo is longer than Marylebone - Charing Cross

Charing Cross Bakerloo to Main Line is a hike along the main road; but then again Waterloo Bakerloo to Waterloo E is a good trot over the footbridge between the two Waterloo stations; in my experience, not much in it. So the clincher is whether the B'loo Charing Cross to Waterloo [2 stops] is is quicker than the main line Charing X to Waterloo East ... which I think it isn't! So changing at Charing Cross probably has the edge.
 

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How about London Bridge? Direct on the Jubilee line from Baker street which is next to Marylebone. Probably only a little time saving though.
 

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How about London Bridge? Direct on the Jubilee line from Baker street which is next to Marylebone. Probably only a little time saving though.
Doesn't change the required minimum connection times.
 

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I notice that there are no fixed link transfer time between Waterloo East and most London Terminals except London Waterloo and Elephant & Castle

For the sake of calculation (particular for Delay Repay), can I use the calculation as:
Connection time from any London Terminal to London Waterloo + 1 minute transfer time to Waterloo East + 4 minutes dwelling time?

For example:
Euston - Waterloo East:
15 minutes (EUS) + 25 minutes (Tube) + 1 minute (WAT-WAE) + 4 minutes (WAE)
I'm just curious is it the 23:45 off Charing Cross the connection you need to make?
 

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I'm just curious is it the 23:45 off Charing Cross the connection you need to make?
No, the 2352 one from CHX
Doesn't change the required minimum connection times.
Indeed

I'm not sure you can argue it that way. I suspect you'd need to add 15 minutes in for Waterloo somewhere.

Marylebone - Charing Cross is direct on the Bakerloo Line. Waterloo is also on the Bakerloo Line but one station further.

It is therefore reasonable to assume that the interchange time between Marylebone - Waterloo is longer than Marylebone - Charing Cross
CHX has a larger dwelling time than WAE, so the interchange time for WAE is actually less than the one to CHX.
 

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No, the 2352 one from CHX

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CHX has a larger dwelling time than WAE, so the interchange time for WAE is actually less than the one to CHX.

As I said earlier I suspect you've got to add in the interchange time for Waterloo as well as Waterloo East.
 

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Have you checked Real Time Trains? for some nights of the week there appears to be a 00:26 from Charing Cross (2M86) that is a Dartford via Welling service, and on some nights there is a 00:46 London Cannon Street, 00:51 at London Bridge, 2M87 also a Dartford via Welling service.
 

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I'm not sure you can argue it that way. I suspect you'd need to add 15 minutes in for Waterloo somewhere.

Marylebone - Charing Cross is direct on the Bakerloo Line. Waterloo is also on the Bakerloo Line but one station further.

It is therefore reasonable to assume that the interchange time between Marylebone - Waterloo is longer than Marylebone - Charing Cross
Have you checked Real Time Trains? for some nights of the week there appears to be a 00:26 from Charing Cross (2M86) that is a Dartford via Welling service, and on some nights there is a 00:46 London Cannon Street, 00:51 at London Bridge, 2M87 also a Dartford via Welling service.
Yeah, for Mon-Wed, Charing Cross is closed, so trains get diverted to Cannon Street and depart late to catch up a rail replacement bus from Charing Cross.

As I said earlier I suspect you've got to add in the interchange time for Waterloo as well as Waterloo East.
I doubt the case, as it doesn't even need to enter Waterloo station. Transfer time between stations counts from the entrance of a station to another.
 

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I doubt the case, as it doesn't even need to enter Waterloo station. Transfer time between stations counts from the entrance of a station to another.

Have you got a source for this? You have to pass through Waterloo to get to Waterloo East.... As I previously said it is further from Euston to Waterloo East than from Euston to Charing Cross: this will be reflected in the interchange time. In any case an interchange time between Euston and Waterloo East isn't defined as you're not expected to make that change, you'd go to Charing Cross as in reality it's quicker.
 
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