TPE Mark 5A coaching stock progress

Kingspanner · 19 Jul 2019

Tim_UK said:
Found the problem:

Local paper knows about it too https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/17781759.caravan-ends-railway-line-coming-loose-car/

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D6700 · 19 Jul 2019

gimmea50anyday said:
Yeah there are numerous 802s running test between York and Newcastle. Had both a 10 car and a 5 car chasing me yesterday

Those trains were GBRF moves, operated on behalf of Hitachi, as opposed to today's run I was referring to, which is being operated by TPE themselves.

With both Nova 1 and Nova 3 trains being operated by TPE today, this is a major step forward for the new fleet, hence the staff news briefing. Thanks for posting those snippets, by the way

Ben Bow · 19 Jul 2019

gimmea50anyday said:
Transpennine Express New Trains Staff Conference

Is this info on the "Loop"?

The_Train · 19 Jul 2019

Is the current Portbury to Manchester working another new set of the Mk5As?

hexagon789 · 19 Jul 2019

gimmea50anyday said:
Transpennine Express New Trains Staff Conference

Is it still planned for 4 sets or simply one at a time now?

sprinterguy · 19 Jul 2019

The_Train said:
Is the current Portbury to Manchester working another new set of the Mk5As?

No, it's 397006 being taken up to Manchester International by 47813 and 57305 (Assuming there's only one stock movement from Portbury today).

jonesy3001 · 19 Jul 2019

sprinterguy said:
No, it's 397006 being taken up to Manchester International by 47813 and 57305 (Assuming there's only one stock movement from Portbury today).

outside bushbury has i type.

SP Man · 19 Jul 2019

sprinterguy said:
No, it's 397006 being taken up to Manchester International by 47813 and 57305 (Assuming there's only one stock movement from Portbury today).

Hopefully not going to MID but going to Crewe South Yard, full up at MID at the moment.

EE Andy b1 · 19 Jul 2019

SP Man said:
Hopefully not going to MID but going to Crewe South Yard, full up at MID at the moment.

Crewe South yard is getting pretty full, what with 365s!

So what is happening with the 3 TPE dedicated roads in the Up sidings at Longsight?
Are they still not fit for use yet? As this is where the Mk5a sets are supposed to be going to be stabled between duties and where they can depart straight to MAN Airport.

sjpowermac · 19 Jul 2019

York Class 68 driver refresher turns:
The Longsight York trips have run all week due to the usual Crewe-Wavertree Jn paths being used for Nova 3 training.

Unless shown, headcodes as per post #3619

68023 York driver refresher
68031 Scarborough driver refresher
68019 York Siemens
68020 York Siemens
(68022 returned to Crewe on Thursday)

Saturday/Sunday
Nothing running

Monday 15.07.2019
68023
0P68 04:14 Longsight-York
0B60 (20 late at Scarborough)
0B61 (95 late departing Scarborough)
68032 0M68 08:54 York-Longsight

Tuesday 16.07.2019
68032 0P68/0M68
68023 0B60/61/62/63/64/65/66/67

Wednesday 17.07.2019
68032 0P68/0M68
68023 0B60/61/62/63/64/65/66/67

Thursday 18.07.2019
68032
0P68 04:14 Longsight-York 06:56
0M68 08:06 York-Longsight (11:23)
68023 0B60/61/62/63/64/65/66/67
68020 09:24 Longsight-York Siemens
68022 14:59 York Siemens-Crewe Gresty Bridge

Friday 19.07.2019
0P68 04:14 Longsight-York 06:56
0M68 08:06 York-Longsight (11:23)
68023
0B60
0B61 49 late at York due to level crossing incident earlier.
0B64/65/66/67
(0B62/63 cancelled)

sjpowermac · 19 Jul 2019

Class 68 workings w/c 13/07/2019
Nova 3 driver training:
A busy week with runs taking place each day, culminating in a ‘dry run’ from Liverpool to Scarborough.

Saturday 13.07.2019
68025 plus TP04
5F22/5K23 5F24/5K25

Sunday 14.07.2019
68025 plus TP04
5F22 09:50 Crewe CS-Liverpool Lime Street (10:36)
5K23 10:56 Liverpool Lime Street-Crewe 5F24 CS (11:32)
5K25 11:50 Crewe-Liverpool Lime Street (12:43)
5F26 13:03 Liverpool Lime Street-Crewe (13:48)

Monday 15.07.2019
68025 plus TP04
5F22 08:48 Crewe-Wavertree Jn (09:32)
5K23 09:59 Wavertree Jn-Crewe (11:05)

Tuesday 16.07.2019
68025 plus TP04
5F22/5K23 5F24/5K25

Wednesday 17.07.2019
68025 plus TP04
5F22 08:48 Crewe CS-Wavertree Jn (09:32)
5K23 09:59 Wavertree Jn-Crewe (11:05)
5F24 11:14 Crewe-Wavertree Jn (11:54)
5K25 12:35 Wavertree Jn-Crewe (13:06)
5F26 13:15 Crewe-Wavertree Jn (13:56)
5K27 14:14 Wavertree Jn-Crewe (15:02)
5K28 15:15 Crewe-Wavertree Jn (15:51)
5K29 16:15 Wavertree Jn-Crewe CS (17:11)

Thursday 18.07.2019
68025 plus TP04
5F22/5K23 5F24/5K25 5F26/5F27

Friday 19.07.2019
68025 ‘Superb’ plus TP04
5F68 04:00 Crewe C.S.-Liverpool Lime Street (04:48)
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N03726/2019/07/19/advanced

5E68 05:01 Liverpool Lime Street-Scarborough (08:00)
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N03727/2019/07/19/advanced

5M68 08:31 Scarborough-Longsight(12:24)
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N03728/2019/07/19/advanced

_toommm_ · 19 Jul 2019

And for anyone wondering, the delay to 5M68 (the 08:31 Scarborough to Longsight) was due to a vehice blocking the railway.

BMIFlyer · 19 Jul 2019

The current plan for new trains intro is as follows...

Ad hoc Mk5A on Liverpool to Scarborough (05:56 from Liverpool, 0941 from Scarborough) from 5 August.

The main day to watch is Monday 21 October: a class 802 on Liverpool to Newcastle and back diagram will enter service.

4x Mk5A trains in passenger service from that day as well on Liverpool to Scarborough. Will remain as 4 sets until spring 2020.

Plus the 397s start on that day on select diagrams on the WCML.

realnovice · 19 Jul 2019

BMIFlyer said:
The current plan for new trains intro is as follows...

Ad hoc Mk5A on Liverpool to Scarborough (05:56 from Liverpool, 0941 from Scarborough) from 5 August.

The main day to watch is Monday 21 October: a class 802 on Liverpool to Newcastle and back diagram will enter service.

4x Mk5A trains in passenger service from that day as well on Liverpool to Scarborough. Will remain as 4 sets until spring 2020.

Plus the 397s start on that day on select diagrams on the WCML.

This is big news! I would think more 802s will be accepted in the meantime. However this is the 5a thread and so its good to see they will be operating however limited that maybe. Will the displaced 185s become doubled up on some services that's the big question of us poor passengers who suffer grim overcrowding seen on TPE's network.

samuelmorris · 20 Jul 2019

BMIFlyer said:
The current plan for new trains intro is as follows...

Ad hoc Mk5A on Liverpool to Scarborough (05:56 from Liverpool, 0941 from Scarborough) from 5 August.

The main day to watch is Monday 21 October: a class 802 on Liverpool to Newcastle and back diagram will enter service.

4x Mk5A trains in passenger service from that day as well on Liverpool to Scarborough. Will remain as 4 sets until spring 2020.

Plus the 397s start on that day on select diagrams on the WCML.

That seems a lot to all happen on the same day, a lot of work involved! I wonder if they will end up staggering those three a bit.

Swedish Keith · 20 Jul 2019

A couple more photos from during the Scarborough 'turnaround' yesterday morning. No class 03 or 08 required these days unlike the last time we had loco hauled trains over here

sjpowermac · 20 Jul 2019

Swedish Keith said:
A couple more photos from during the Scarborough 'turnaround' yesterday morning. No class 03 or 08 required these days unlike the last time we had loco hauled trains over here

View attachment 66014 View attachment 66013

Very nice images. Worth bagging a set that way around, I think in normal service the loco will be on the Liverpool end. Haha about the 03 or 08

Jozhua · 20 Jul 2019

realnovice said:
This is big news! I would think more 802s will be accepted in the meantime. However this is the 5a thread and so its good to see they will be operating however limited that maybe. Will the displaced 185s become doubled up on some services that's the big question of us poor passengers who suffer grim overcrowding seen on TPE's network.

Yes, how soon will we begin to notice a few more double 185 sets out and about?

Also glad to hear about August 6th, looking forward to hearing the reviews and seeing the photos/videos!

This couple of years should hopefully bring some significant improvement to the rail network in the North and bring it some what up to scratch for the 21st Century!

Pete_uk · 20 Jul 2019

The Mk5 carriage windoes look quite low, are the seats relatively low, or the floor maybe?

SP Man · 20 Jul 2019

BMIFlyer said:
The current plan for new trains intro is as follows...

Ad hoc Mk5A on Liverpool to Scarborough (05:56 from Liverpool, 0941 from Scarborough) from 5 August.

The main day to watch is Monday 21 October: a class 802 on Liverpool to Newcastle and back diagram will enter service.

4x Mk5A trains in passenger service from that day as well on Liverpool to Scarborough. Will remain as 4 sets until spring 2020.

Plus the 397s start on that day on select diagrams on the WCML.

Doh! Cant believe that after being involved in these all the from Velim to testing and commissioning to training the TPE lads I'm on bloody leave when they come into service!!!

_toommm_ · 20 Jul 2019

BMIFlyer said:
The current plan for new trains intro is as follows...

Ad hoc Mk5A on Liverpool to Scarborough (05:56 from Liverpool, 0941 from Scarborough) from 5 August.

The main day to watch is Monday 21 October: a class 802 on Liverpool to Newcastle and back diagram will enter service.

4x Mk5A trains in passenger service from that day as well on Liverpool to Scarborough. Will remain as 4 sets until spring 2020.

Plus the 397s start on that day on select diagrams on the WCML.

When you say ad-hoc, will there be any rhyme or reason as to when they'll be used?

Solent&Wessex · 21 Jul 2019

_toommm_ said:
When you say ad-hoc, will there be any rhyme or reason as to when they'll be used?

I suspect it will be down to:
a) whether a set is available that isn't otherwise needed for crew training
And
b) whether the various train crews booked to work on the set throughout it's full diagram have been passed out yet.

BMIFlyer · 21 Jul 2019

Solent&Wessex said:
I suspect it will be down to:
a) whether a set is available that isn't otherwise needed for crew training
And
b) whether the various train crews booked to work on the set throughout it's full diagram have been passed out yet.

Both of those are correct and will be on an as per day basis.

Ben Bow · 21 Jul 2019

I understand training for Manchester Airport guards, who are the first to be trained on the mk.5a stock, starts on 9 August. But maybe there are other staff available to cover the role until the first Airport guards are passed out. Depends on how desperate TPE are to get Nova 3 into service I suppose. A full day's diagram would require many crews, not helped by guards and drivers working to completely different diagrams from different depots (drivers Piccadilly, guards Airport).

BMIFlyer · 21 Jul 2019

Ben Bow said:
I understand training for Manchester Airport guards, who are the first to be trained on the mk.5a stock, starts on 9 August. But maybe there are other staff available to cover the role until the first Airport guards are passed out. Depends on how desperate TPE are to get Nova 3 into service I suppose. A full day's diagram would require many crews, not helped by guards and drivers working to completely different diagrams from different depots (drivers Piccadilly, guards Airport).

Nothing to say that the currently train driver instructors and guard instructors can't work the ad hoc service. I am lead to believe the ad-hoc workings will be as per the example above = one trip from Liverpool to Scarborough and back to Liverpool, which on the diagram I mentioned will require 2 guards and drivers in total.

Ben Bow · 21 Jul 2019

BMIFlyer said:
Nothing to say that the currently train driver instructors and guard instructors can't work the ad hoc service. I am lead to believe the ad-hoc workings will be as per the example above = one trip from Liverpool to Scarborough and back to Liverpool, which on the diagram I mentioned will require 2 guards and drivers in total.

Absolutely, but given the increasing training requirements on 397's and 802's which have taken priority over the Nova 3's it seems, one would expect that instructors would not be usurped unless there is real need for a Nova 3 set to be in service.

Phlip · 21 Jul 2019

Ben Bow said:
Absolutely, but given the increasing training requirements on 397's and 802's which have taken priority over the Nova 3's it seems, one would expect that instructors would not be usurped unless there is real need for a Nova 3 set to be in service.

Surely some staff training can take place in service?

Ben Bow · 21 Jul 2019

Phlip said:
Surely some staff training can take place in service?

Indeed it can, and that is the plan.

EE Andy b1 · 22 Jul 2019

Ben Bow said:
Indeed it can, and that is the plan.

Which is the normal way that most driver/guard training is done but what is needed first is to have at least one Mk5a set diagram working.

Jamesrob637 · 23 Jul 2019

If anybody wants to discuss future 6-car services once the new stock is in service, I have created a specific thread regarding this under "Allocations, Diagrams and Timetables"

05 August isn't long away now - let's hope TPE can stick to this. Will it be only the morning services, or is that just to give us an idea of the day's workings? the 09:41 from Scarborough should then form the 12:56 back according to RTT

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