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I put "she" in error. I was writing an email at the same time and wrote half my email in the message box before deleting and restarting. Multitasking for the win!

Some might be a bit concerned if you were writing an email about a female of any species being 'done', but that's your own business!

Although perhaps veering off topic, the habit of calling motor vehicles "she" traces back to ships/boats which historically are given female names. Tbh i have no issue with it and often do myself, some may brand it sexist, i don't really think it is.

A little off topic for Lothian and ECB thread where only inanimate depot code letters and reference numbers are used, but do you know if Ipswich Buses still use human names for their vehicles? Was down there through the week but didn't get a chance to look.
 

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Some might be a bit concerned if you were writing an email about a female of any species being 'done', but that's your own business!
Without going too much more off topic, the word "she" should also have been deleted but when I selected (with my mouse) all and delete, "she" was left in there, and "she" was in refference to a dog not a human too. As I said, an error.
 
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How long do we have the Evora on loan for? It's still not showing up on tracker but was given fleet no 299. 299 does not show up but 5005 shows up in the equator.
a few weeks, lothian said couple more at central then its to East Coast for a bit
 

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Few fleet moves this week:
827/829-833 CE to LS
702, 710, 712-716, 718, 722 & 725 Withdrawn
Only 14 55 Plate B7s remain, those being 703-708, 711, 717, 724, 734, 737-739 & 746
 

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only 5 that didnt come to lothian, BF60 UUC/E/G/H/J they went to a London tour company
They were sold by Metroline to London City Tours where they were converted to single door and partial open top.

Can't see those being sold either given they were only converted about a year ago
London City Tours merged/combined or were taken over (I don't know which) by the Original London Sightseeing Tour in mid 2018. These vehicles have been up for sale since September 2018. London City Tours also obtained several similar vehicles from Go Ahead London which were also converted to open top and single door. They came from the same batch as Lothian's former Go Ahead double deckers and were also advertised for sale in September 2018. I do not know if they were sold.
 

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The Sunday reduction in the frequency of the 26 has allowed a few B5TL'S to move over to the 25 which has 3 operating on it today.

Also appears that Longstone have increased the number of buses that they operate on a Sunday 44 from 3 to 4.
 

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Can anyone clarify what operators licences Lothian are actively using

Is it 'Edinburgh Bus Tours Limited' for all the tours fleet?

'Lothian Country Buses Limited' for the East Coast Buses fleet?

'Lothian Buses Limited' for everything else?

What is the legal entity for the coach fleet?
 

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Can anyone clarify what operators licences Lothian are actively using

Is it 'Edinburgh Bus Tours Limited' for all the tours fleet?

'Lothian Country Buses Limited' for the East Coast Buses fleet?

'Lothian Buses Limited' for everything else?

What is the legal entity for the coach fleet?

Lothian City and Green Arrow: Lothian Buses Limited
Lothian Country: Lothian Country Buses Limited
East Coast Buses: East Coast Buses Limited
Edinburgh Bus Tours: Edinburgh Bus Tours Limited
Lothian Motorcoaches: Lothian Coaches Limited
 

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Lothian City and Green Arrow: Lothian Buses Limited
Lothian Country: Lothian Country Buses Limited
East Coast Buses: East Coast Buses Limited
Edinburgh Bus Tours: Edinburgh Bus Tours Limited
Lothian Motorcoaches: Lothian Coaches Limited

This^ although the 43 is still on the Lothian license I believe. Or was until the service changes.

not sure, might be damaged or faulty, terrible batch of vehicles so im happy theres one less of the road

Cant please everyone...
 
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This^ although the 43 is still on the Lothian license I believe. Or was until the service changes.
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It still is under the Lothian license, I don’t see it changing since they had no plans to move the 43 to Livingston. the chances of that changing are very slim at this point
 

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It still is under the Lothian license, I don’t see it changing since they had no plans to move the 43 to Livingston. the chances of that changing are very slim at this point

When the new travelshop opens on Shandwick Place, some drivers can be based there as apposed to being based at depots, including Lothian drivers and LCB/ECB/EBT & Tram drivers. Meaning yes the buses used on the 43 are based at Central, although it may be possible that they will be run by Lothian Country drivers who are based at Shandwick Place. As with what may be the case with every subsidiary.

This also means some night journeys could make an extra journey back into town and buses could terminate in the City Centre.
 

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Few fleet moves this week:
827/829-833 CE to LS
702, 710, 712-716, 718, 722 & 725 Withdrawn
Only 14 55 Plate B7s remain, those being 703-708, 711, 717, 724, 734, 737-739 & 746

747 still appears to br active (or at least its tracker is) On X26 this morning.
 

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New offer to end the dispute, Inc 2.7% driver pay rise, Unite recommending members accept, vote on Friday:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-49070295

Bus drivers in Edinburgh will take indefinite strike action from the end of next week, unless they accept a last-minute offer in a long-running dispute with management.

A total of 1,700 drivers will be balloted on Friday on a deal which includes a 2.7% pay rise.

It also includes new measures to address concerns over bullying.

If the offer is rejected, action will start at 03:00 on 2 August, the first day of the Edinburgh Festival Fringe.

Unite has blamed the dispute on "poor workplace relations and a hostile culture at Lothian Buses".

In June, staff voted for strike action. More than 63% of union members took part in the ballot, with about 91.3% backing a walkout.

Talks at the arbitration service Acas resulted in a deal which was rejected by the workforce. The revised offer followed further discussions which took place last week.

'Good offer'
Officials from Unite have recommended that its members accept the revised deal.

Regional industrial officer Lyn Turner said: "It's a good offer and a better deal than the last time. I'm hoping that they will accept it."

Lothian Buses managing director Richard Hall said: "We have had positive discussions with Unite which has now led to a deal being agreed between Lothian and union officials.

"They have agreed this will be taken forward to their members with a recommendation to accept the proposal.

"It is the hope of both parties that this agreement can be passed in order to avoid disruption at one of the busiest times of year in the city."
 

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So in short. Keep the drivers quiet about the bullying from up top by bribing them...

I'm the last person in the world to be cynical... cough... so I couldn't possibly comment!

However I reckon the public will be paying for it with £1.80 singles before the year end.
 

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I guess with all the competition at present demand for drivers is high, so market forces probably require an increase anyway.
 

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New offer to end the dispute, Inc 2.7% driver pay rise, Unite recommending members accept, vote on Friday:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-49070295

So in short. Keep the drivers quiet about the bullying from up top by bribing them...

Yes, how dare Lothian offer an above-inflation pay rise to their drivers - they must be up to something shady with their offer - even when they do something that looks good they must be criticised!

(to put things in context, First in South Yorkshire have been offering drivers an extra eighteen pence per hour on the condition of the loss of five days of annual leave - so if Lothian look like the bad guys then some people really need to look at how much worse other bits of the industry are)
 

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Yes, how dare Lothian offer an above-inflation pay rise to their drivers - they must be up to something shady with their offer - even when they do something that looks good they must be criticised!

(to put things in context, First in South Yorkshire have been offering drivers an extra eighteen pence per hour on the condition of the loss of five days of annual leave - so if Lothian look like the bad guys then some people really need to look at how much worse other bits of the industry are)

You do actually realise the strike is about managment bullying, harrasment and their general treatment of staff and not about pay.
 

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Regarding basing drivers at Shandwick Place, would they only pick up buses already in service and hand over in service? Or would they book on and then go to pick up a bus from elsewhere?
 

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Yes, how dare Lothian offer an above-inflation pay rise to their drivers - they must be up to something shady with their offer - even when they do something that looks good they must be criticised!

(to put things in context, First in South Yorkshire have been offering drivers an extra eighteen pence per hour on the condition of the loss of five days of annual leave - so if Lothian look like the bad guys then some people really need to look at how much worse other bits of the industry are)

As Colin says above the strikes on this occasion are nothing to do with pay, or contraction conditions. It's the bullying and threatening of staff from management that's the issue. Hence why i used the term "bribe" as that's really what it is.
 

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Regarding basing drivers at Shandwick Place, would they only pick up buses already in service and hand over in service? Or would they book on and then go to pick up a bus from elsewhere?

Mixture.

Drivers could sifgn on/off here and pick up buses that had previously been on night services to start day services, allowing them to sign on then travel on a bus to a garage if need be, or changeover at Shandwick Place, its pretty quiet before 8am and after 8pm. Once the bus is out of fuel a changeover would either be arranged at a designated area, services could run part route or change over at the likes of Elm Row, Longstone, King's Road, Deans or Musselburgh.

It's a way for the company to save money in the long run and provide a slightly better service as buses would be in service longer as apposed to running light regularly. Wether it works or not remains to be seen. Although having two designated travelshops in the city centre is better than having one. Especially considering this one will have a coffee shop and be used as an access route to offices above, so will get the foot traffic even if its not from direct customers. The Shandwick Place travelshop is first and foremost a staff rest area (basement), then it's a coffee shop, then it's lost property, then its customer service.

Believe Airlink Drivers will be able to sign on/off here and changeovers will take place here, with toilet breaks being given at Waverley and the Airport, of course drivers are also welcome at a number of restaurants, pubs and shops city wide. Great for Night drivers who pass the area to as its often hard to find somewhere to use the loo.

There will also be an on-call fitter based here with basic / common tools to minimise down time. Spare ticket machines and consumables will be stocked too. Believe the fitter may even be bike-based.

Attached are the approved planning documents.
 

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