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South Africa's Gautrain seeks second-hand EMUs from the UK

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Reported in Railway Gazette that South Africa's Gautrain are seeking second-hand EMUs from the UK to supplement their fleet, which was previously built in Derby, and based on the Electrostar design.

Gautrain Management Agency is planning to obtain second-hand rolling stock from the UK. This follows an abortive tender called in February 2016 for a fleet of 12 new four-car trainsets. Despite three bidders being shortlisted, none of the bids was compliant.

After evaluating its options, GMA decided in May this year not to reissue the tender for new rolling stock, choosing instead to acquire fewer second-hand trains at lower cost, reportedly around R2bn compared with R4∙5bn.

Trains from the UK would match Gautrain’s requirements as the existing fleet is built to the UK loading gauge and is derived from Bombardier’s Electrostar design; 24 four-car EMUs were delivered from 2008 onwards, with some being assembled in South Africa. As large numbers of new trains are on order or are currently being delivered for use by UK franchises, suitable rolling stock may shortly come off lease, potentially becoming available for sale or lease to the South African operator.
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Gautrain routes are built to 1 435mm gauge and are electrified at 25 kV 50 Hz. Additional stock is needed to cope with heavy demand during the morning and evening peak hours, but Gautrain has recently revised its forecasts down so that only 30 new cars are required.

(I feel this fits better here than in the International forum).
 
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314/315 would probably do as well. As they now going for scrap they could quickly be obtained.
 

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314/315 would probably do as well. As they now going for scrap they could quickly be obtained.
They want relatively modern units which are similar to their existing Electrostar derived stock. So don't think they will be interested in 40 year clapped out units.
 

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I wonder if 365's fit the bill... ok so not the same as Electrostars, but the number wanted would work out quite well for the number in storage?
 

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I feel like something without AC wouldn't go down to well in Joburg!

Something Electrostar based would be what they're after I'm sure.
 

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I've always been jealous of the Gautrain electrostars, their front ends are way better than any of the UK variants
 

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If they were happy to take 24 cars, then the dealer stock 387s currently with C2C would fit in quite nicely. However, the so far unwanted 379 fleet also rather fits the bill, complete with oddball leasser (macquarie rail), Even if they have 6 cars more than originally wanted.
 

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Am I the only one who had to Google Gautrain.

Big thing a decade back, essentially the UK's only successful Rolling Stock export for decades (Ireland notwithstanding, and the Pacers for Iran which sat Idle for years because right after we sold them fuel sanctions were imposed and they didn't have the refined fuel to operate them).
 

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I feel like something without AC wouldn't go down to well in Joburg!

Something Electrostar based would be what they're after I'm sure.
Well, technically Electrostars are 365-based, so they could count. Or perhaps the TFL Class 360s? Other than that I can't think of anything (other than modified 458s).
 

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If they were happy to take 24 cars, then the dealer stock 387s currently with C2C would fit in quite nicely. However, the so far unwanted 379 fleet also rather fits the bill, complete with oddball leasser (macquarie rail), Even if they have 6 cars more than originally wanted.

They now want a reduced number of 30 cars worth which doesn't fit with 4 car units so either 7 or 8 units. There are 30units of 379s so 120 car units leaving 90 spare.
There are only 25cars of Heathrow owned 360s so may be not quite enough there.

The complete servicable Heathrow Express fleet might be ideal given the number canabalised already.
 

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Well, technically Electrostars are 365-based, so they could count. Or perhaps the TFL Class 360s? Other than that I can't think of anything (other than modified 458s).
Technically that is a gross over simplification of the 365 to Electrostar lineage: the 365s have GEC-Alsthom traction kit for a start.

As for the 360/2s, joining their relatives on the Bangkok airport line would seem more likely.
 

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I guess it could be any of the fleets that are going off-lease, however I would struggle to see how a ROSCO could justify turning what would be a relative micro fleet into more of a micro fleet by selling off a proportion to South Africa? I guess the 387/3's could be contenders, but the gangway requirement doesnt seem to be there for south africa.
 

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essentially the UK's only successful Rolling Stock export for decades (Ireland notwithstanding, and the Pacers for Iran which sat Idle for years because right after we sold them fuel sanctions were imposed and they didn't have the refined fuel to operate them).

Off topic, but everyone seems to forget the hundreds if not thousands of BREL international coaches that are running around in China. Only a handful built in the UK mind.
 
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I guess it could be any of the fleets that are going off-lease, however I would struggle to see how a ROSCO could justify turning what would be a relative micro fleet into more of a micro fleet by selling off a proportion to South Africa? I guess the 387/3's could be contenders, but the gangway requirement doesnt seem to be there for south africa.

Remember that Electrostars are bolted/glued together, so swopping a gangwayed end for one which matches the existing Gautrain fleet might not be too difficult
 

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A number of prestige, luxury British Rail Class 141s were sent to Iran in the 1990s and our two countries have been great friends ever since :)
 

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What about the Heathrow Express cl 332 units?
Where are these destined for?

36 cars in four car formations.

Are they loking for compatable / interchangeable units for what they already have?
 

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Remember that Electrostars are bolted/glued together, so swopping a gangwayed end for one which matches the existing Gautrain fleet might not be too difficult

Would probably cost a lot, seeing as Bombardier don't make them anymore. Unless there's a load of spares in Storage?
 

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I don't think swapping fibreglass snouts is that expensive. After all, a massive rebuild of SWT's Juniper EMUs to make them into faux-Desiros was viable.
its not just the fibreglass snouts, its all the metal supporting structure and gangway doors that have to be re-engineered enlarging the cab across the gangway etc. As built at the moment if you tried to put something like the Gautrain (or even an aventra) non-gangwayed front end you would have supporting metalwork sticking through the cab windscreen. Changing one type of gangway end for another like the 458s probably wasn't just a fibreglass nose swap, but there was probably enough space behind it that there was very minimal adjustments required to make it work with the existing train.
 

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CEO Jack van der Merwe said that GMA had identified three UK leasing companies that may be able to supply suitable rolling stock. Once GMA had obtained approval from the South African government for its plans, the leasing companies would be invited to submit bids in a closed tender process. GMA hopes that the trains could be refurbished and refitted using local labour and materials, with the first trains ready to run by 2022.

That suggests to me a certain flexibility, rather than just targeting Electrostars. A relatively relaxed time schedule too.

The 458s could be an option too, reduced to 4 cars, they might be cheap too!
 

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I wished the new Aventura’s had those fronts of the Gautrain.
 

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I can't see the problem with the c2c 387/3s, Replace the corridor connection with a door similar to a 378, remove the coupling and add a nice fairing to the lower half, It's will not be that obvious to joe public once re-liveried.
 
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