cnjb8
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Why don't you see 66s or 60s working passenger trains? I have always wondered why they don't as they are perfectly good locos
Makes sense. ThanksThey do (charters)! I assume you meant regular, scheduled work in which case they are too slow. They may be good locos but are only good in certain circumstances. You wouldn't expect a drag racing car to haul heavy loads or a tractor to run fast. 66s and 60s are good at freight, not passenger.
Why don't you see 66s or 60s working passenger trains? I have always wondered why they don't as they are perfectly good locos
Why don't you see 66s or 60s working passenger trains? I have always wondered why they don't as they are perfectly good locos
Booked power for the Royal Scotsman is a 66 which carries a generator van so ETS isn't really an issue.
Just like the 68s and 88s today then. Considering the 60s date back to the good old days, as do 56s and 58s which were also freight only, and even 55s which were passenger only, with the odd parcel train, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.Because they are freight only locos and designed as such. Back in the good old days you used to have "mixed traffic" locos which could haul both passenger and freight trains e.g. Class 87.
even in steam days you had locos designed, at the very least, as freight, passenger or mixed.Because they are freight only locos and designed as such. Back in the good old days you used to have "mixed traffic" locos which could haul both passenger and freight trains e.g. Class 87.
The difference between nationalisation, sectorisation and privatisation . Under Nationalistion BR had plans to adapt 56's for Cross Country services. This was dropped due to sectorisation .
It was a p[lan looked into by BR in the 80's which involved redamping them to increase maximum speed and fitting with ETHI never knew that! That certainly would have been interesting! I've only seen them rescue a couple of failed HST's in the mid 1980's 56 125 and 56 116 were the 2 occasions I remember at Craigentinny!
How is power delivered to the coaches? I thought the 66s didn't have any electrical train supply.
Those coaches aren't air-conditioned, so no need for ETS for that. Also no central door locking back then. Lighting powered by batteries in the coaches I believe, and heating not functioning. Hopefully it wasn't the middle of winter!How is power delivered to the coaches? I thought the 66s didn't have any electrical train supply.
Electric train heating (ETH) has been renamed Electric train supply (ETS). The loco supplied power only for the heaters inside the coaches, the lighting came straight off the batteries charged via a belt driven generator from the axle. Later when the Mk2D's arrived ETH became ETS and the loco powered a Motor alternator (MA) providing power for Air conditioning and battery charging.
Thanks and it's funny you should say that, as I noticed on the data panel of the class 68 it is still referred to as ETH index. I'm sure it will be the same on the mk5's too I shall have to check.Correct, but note that the coach-end data panels still had an 'ETH index' (not ETS index) well into the MK3 coach era. There is a selection of data panel photos here - https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/i...ways-codes-on-br-coaches-mk1-mk2-mk3-coaches/ including Mk2F and Mk3's