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lukedefeo

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Hi everyone! I'm planning to buy a season ticket for commuting to work. I live near New Cross Gate (NXG) and work near London St Pancras (STP).

Basically I have two options:
#1. New Cross Gate <-> London Bridge <-> London St Pancras
#2. New Cross <-> London Bridge <-> London St Pancras

The problems is that route #1 runs less frequently than #2. So even though New Cross means a few more minutes walk, I usually commute by #2. Of course if there are trains at NXG I will definitely go from there.

So here's my question - is there a season ticket which allows me to:
1). depart from both New Cross and New Cross Gate, and,
2). arrive at both New Cross and New Cross Gate.

Would a season ticket from Brockley to London Stations satisfy my requirements?
Thank you very much for any suggestions.
 
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Hi everyone! I'm planning to buy a season ticket for commuting to work. I live near New Cross Gate (NXG) and work near London St Pancras (STP).

Basically I have two options:
#1. New Cross Gate <-> London Bridge <-> London St Pancras
#2. New Cross <-> London Bridge <-> London St Pancras

The problems is that route #1 runs less frequently than #2. So even though New Cross means a few more minutes walk, I usually commute by #2. Of course if there are trains at NXG I will definitely go from there.

So here's my question - is there a season ticket which allows me to:
1). depart from both New Cross and New Cross Gate, and,
2). arrive at both New Cross and New Cross Gate.

Would a season ticket from Brockley to London Stations satisfy my requirements?
Thank you very much for any suggestions.
There are no interavailability between New Cross and New Cross Gate due to different operators.
I would suggest you stick with New Cross Gate as it is slightly cheaper.
 

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There is a 'Fixed Link' in the rail timetable data between New Cross and New Cross Gate, defined as a 7 minute walk. As per the Routeing Guide in Detail document, a route is valid if it is no more than 3 miles longer than the shortest route, so yes, in theory a season ticket to Brockley should be valid to start short at either. However, I imagine that the Brockley ticket will not operate the gates at New Cross and daily commuting will be a big hassle.

Also note that the 'London Stations' group is actually called 'London Terminals', and a ticket to here would not be valid beyond City Thameslink as Farringdon is not a member of the group. You'd need a ticket to London St Pancras (STP) specifically, or to a station beyond
 
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The other end of the route needs thought too. A London Terminals ticket won't be valid north of City Thameslink, you'd need either a ticket to London Thameslink or one specifically to St Pancras - Disclaimer: I've not checked if either or both of these are actually available
 

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Won’t contactless, with its weekly fare-calling, be the most convenient? Especially with the flexibility?
 

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There is a 'Fixed Link' in the rail timetable data between New Cross and New Cross Gate, defined as a 7 minute walk. As per the Routeing Guide in Detail document, a route is valid if it is no more than 3 miles longer than the shortest route, so yes, in theory a season ticket to Brockley should be valid to start short at either. However, I imagine that the Brockley ticket will not operate the gates at New Cross and daily commuting will be a big hassle.

Also note that the 'London Stations' group is actually called 'London Terminals', and a ticket to here would not be valid beyond City Thameslink as Farringdon is not a member of the group. You'd need a ticket to London St Pancras (STP) specifically, or to a station beyond
I doubt whether 3-mile rule still exists in NRCOT
 

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I doubt whether 3-mile rule still exists in NRCOT
The 3 mile rule does exist but is not documented in the NRCoT. It is implemented by all booking engines.

It should be in the NRCoT, but that's another story.

But this is straying a bit off topic; you are more than welcome to join us at any of our free fares workshop if you are keen to learn about how these things work; the "shortest route rule" is an area we can cover if required and if people want, we can get into it in great depth :)
 

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Won’t contactless, with its weekly fare-calling, be the most convenient? Especially with the flexibility?

The weekly cap for this journey (zone 1-2) on Oyster/contactless would be about 35 pounds. A rail only season ticket is about 20 pounds.

That's a big difference, and one TFL would rather people didn't know. Many people could save money by using season tickets instead.

The "use Oyster for the cheapest fare" advertising has always been somewhat disingenuous for people who use NR not TFL services.
 

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It does become worthwhile if you want the flexibility to (for example) use the Northern Line between London Bridge and St. Pancras when Thameslink isn't cooperating, or to use buses.

OP: have you considered going from Deptford instead, where Thameslink trains run directly through to St. Pancras (and beyond)? It's about 15 minutes walk from NXG. Whether it'd save you any time is dependent on how long your typical waiting time is at London Bridge to change trains, but it's worth a thought. You'd still need a specific ticket to get you through the Thameslink no-mans-land, though.
 

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It does become worthwhile if you want the flexibility to (for example) use the Northern Line between London Bridge and St. Pancras when Thameslink isn't cooperating, or to use buses.

OP: have you considered going from Deptford instead, where Thameslink trains run directly through to St. Pancras (and beyond)? It's about 15 minutes walk from NXG. Whether it'd save you any time is dependent on how long your typical waiting time is at London Bridge to change trains, but it's worth a thought. You'd still need a specific ticket to get you through the Thameslink no-mans-land, though.
Well, if Thameslink fails, I am pretty sure that ticket acceptance on LU would be in place
 

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I have another crazy idea: I could buy anytime day single tickets from New Cross -> St Pancras -> New Cross Gate for £3.6. And I will "break" the journey at St Pancras (I guess it's allowed), then resume the journey when I finish work? Would this be ok?
 

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I'm pretty sure that St Pancras is not on a permitted route between New Cross and New Cross Gate!
 

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I have another crazy idea: I could buy anytime day single tickets from New Cross -> St Pancras -> New Cross Gate for £3.6. And I will "break" the journey at St Pancras (I guess it's allowed), then resume the journey when I finish work? Would this be ok?
If you tried this you would probably be prosecuted!
 

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I have another crazy idea: I could buy anytime day single tickets from New Cross -> St Pancras -> New Cross Gate for £3.6. And I will "break" the journey at St Pancras (I guess it's allowed), then resume the journey when I finish work? Would this be ok?

Although there are other parts of the network where you can legitimately do things like this, your example isnt one of them unfortunately. You can't really guess at random unless you understand the rules and how they're implemented by the journey planners.

If I was in your position I'd look at the pricing of Zone 1-2 point to point seasons and go from there to hunt for a value fare with generous validity.
 
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