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EMT strike (regional routes) - Sat 20 & 27 Jul, 3 Aug

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I see that the RMT/Mick Cash claim Stagecoach are being banned from the railway network
“East Midlands Trains lack of commitment to deal with our concerns over contractual issues such as compulsory Sunday working, wage discrimination and other matters is a total disgrace and has been reinforced by their ludicrous refusal to sit down and talk with us as Stagecoach slash and burn their way through their remaining franchises in advance of getting banned from the railway by the DfT. It is an outrageous state of affairs.
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That’s a pretty bold statement, and I’m not convinced it’s true. My understanding was that Stagecoach lost two franchise competitions and have decided not to bid for any more in the foreseeable, which is very different to being banned.
 
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Stagecoach didn’t want to take on Unknown and potentially huge pension liabilities, hence why their bid was disqualified - Mr Cash needs to keep his ear to the industry ground.

This bloke is meant to represent my interests....
 
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Come on guys; wor Mickey, like most politicians, has never been interested in the truth.
 
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Is it still on for tomorrow please anyone?
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According to the train announcements and lack of good news from RMT I suspect yes. How much impact its having is anyone's guess as they are bringing in replacement buses.
 
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With the mainline being unexpectedly on a heavily reduced all weekend its about time they investigated the possibility of running Nottingham-Derby and Ivanhoe services with mainline crews not needed to operate their planned services.
 
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woodmally said:
According to the train announcements and lack of good news from RMT I suspect yes. How much impact its having is anyone's guess as they are bringing in replacement buses.
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Cheers for that. It's only Peterborough to Norwich so could use a mix of XC/GA or go via London.
 
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There have been a number of disagreements under discussion for quite a while and the RMT have hit a brick wall with EMT. There are a ridiculous number of contract variations due to HR 'issues' which doesn't help matters.

The strength of the ballot (80% turnout, 69% in favour of strike, 86% in favour of work to rule) should demonstrate quite well the irritation of the guards.

We have to be careful what we say unfortunately but it's not something that is being taken lightly and the current situation needs resolving.
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What you have said if it was any other union would have made sense however its not the RMT's modus operandi which troubles me. It makes sense to try to negotiate and if it fails then consider industrial action but I am surprised the RMT are going down this route. As every experience I have had with this union strike seems always the first option. why have they left it to go on this long that they have to call a strike when the contract is nearing the end? Take the northern dispute for example they wernt even in a position to implement DOO yet the RMT were going straight for strike action. Do the RMT operate differently in different parts of the business?
 
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Tom Quinne said:
Stagecoach didn’t want to take on Unknown and potentially huge pension liabilities, hence why their bid was disqualified - Mr Cash needs to keep his ear to the industry ground.

This bloke is meant to represent my interests....
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The membership voted him in. If you don’t like him you know what to do.
 
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43096 said:
The membership voted him in. If you don’t like him you know what to do.
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Are there any more moderate candidates standing,? or just the former president who’s reportedly more hardline than Mick Cash
 
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Strike still on for tomorrow, meeting adjourned today with Stagecoach going to talk to Abellio about how they can resolve the issue.
 
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woodmally said:
What you have said if it was any other union would have made sense however its not the RMT's modus operandi which troubles me. It makes sense to try to negotiate and if it fails then consider industrial action but I am surprised the RMT are going down this route. As every experience I have had with this union strike seems always the first option. why have they left it to go on this long that they have to call a strike when the contract is nearing the end? Take the northern dispute for example they wernt even in a position to implement DOO yet the RMT were going straight for strike action. Do the RMT operate differently in different parts of the business?
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This is inaccurate. The RMT don't go straight to strike action at all. Please do try to understand the law!
 
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PG said:
Any information on what may or may not be happening after this Saturday?
Are further strikes on the cards?
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RMT announced yesterday a additional day on the 17th August which is conveniently the last day of the franchise.
 
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The action has produced the unusual sight of daytime EMT trains arriving and departing from the terminating platforms at Man Piccadilly.
 
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RMT announced yesterday a additional day on the 17th August which is conveniently the last day of the franchise.
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That's just petty and pointless as Abellio have no incentive to make stagecoach look good by coming to an agreement before the start of their franchise* and Stagecoach are legally not allowed to impose new terms on Abellio at this point (and equally have limited incentive to try and end a dispute that will no longer be their problem).
*reaching an agreement within the first few days of the new franchise would be a publicity win for Abellio but if the strike is cancelled many would see Stagecoach as the people to have sorted the issue out so it is in Abellio's interest for the strike to go ahead.
 
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Mugby said:
The action has produced the unusual sight of daytime EMT trains arriving and departing from the terminating platforms at Man Piccadilly.
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Yes that looked odd seeing their 158s on platform 12. I went via Leeds to Norwich as still hadn't done the Ordsall Chord & was then lucky enough to get a 331 to Doncaster then pick up the following Azuma to Peterborough. Although both very busy still got seats on the XC to Ely & GA back to the Norfolk city.
 
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Noticed loads of 158's out and about today around Derby, they putting on nicer trains to make up for the strikes, because they can, or perhaps to do some much needed tlc to the 156/153 fleet given the opportunity?

Generally hasn't been as disruptive as Northern weekend strikes, taking me a bit longer to get around, but still usable. At least they give us the decent trains so as not to rub salt into the wound! :lol:
 
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There will be a few spare from the Liverpool's only going as far as Sheffield. If they are on the Crewe services the it is likely to allow for more capacity as people may travel via Stoke to get to Manchester area.
 
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Another 158 hired out to GA again this weekend again adding to the variety on the busy Bittern & Wherry Lines.
 
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PG said:
I guess the membership are intent on getting Abellio to take them seriously and recognise their grievances.

Wonder why they've missed out Saturday 10th?
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I think there are a couple of staff charters running to celebrate eleven years of EMT. Possibly some local reps advised against disrupting that because it would possibly hack off a number of staff in various grades if that were disrupted.
 
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