Northern Class 195: Construction/Introduction Updates

Bovverboy · 23 Jul 2019

a_c_skinner said:
On a more mundane level are the 195s proving more reliable than in their first few days?

I promise not to complain about them again...

js1000 said:
They're still having teething issues occasionally - Friday morning wasn't great.

The 06:47 from Barrow to Manchester Airport was cancelled.

The six-coach 07:48 from Wilmslow to Liverpool Lime Street was delayed by 30 minutes due to a fault.

The unit (or units, if it was doubled up as scheduled) which worked the delayed 0748 ex-Wilmslow managed to get to Wilmslow on time off the 0613 ex-Liverpool, so goodness knows what went wrong.
For those who aren't accustomed to using the 'Recent Train Times' website, it might not be immediately obvious that the train subsequently skipped the Birchwood, Warrington Central, and Liverpool South Parkway stops.

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Boysteve · 23 Jul 2019

Bovverboy said:
The unit (or units, if it was doubled up as scheduled) which worked the delayed 0748 ex-Wilmslow managed to get to Wilmslow on time off the 0613 ex-Liverpool,

Today it was doubled up as scheduled

507 001 · 24 Jul 2019

Heard a rumour that the fire bottles went off on one unit today due to the heat?

Bletchleyite · 24 Jul 2019

507 001 said:
Heard a rumour that the fire bottles went off on one unit today due to the heat?

I have an "If This Then That" notification set up to text me if my house exceeds a certain slightly unlikely temperature inside, I think it's set to do it at 28 degrees, the idea being that that is a warning that my house might be on fire. I have a feeling it might get a test run on Thursday...

Bovverboy · 24 Jul 2019

Fun & games for folks this morning, the 0748 Wilmslow to Liverpool Lime Street semi-fast is being formed of two coaches instead of six!

ainsworth74 · 24 Jul 2019

We seem to have got back on topic now but as a reminder this thread is for the discussion of 195s and their introduction and construction. It's not for diagrams or other totally unrelated topics. Please try and keep that in mind.

Paul_10 · 24 Jul 2019

507 001 said:
Heard a rumour that the fire bottles went off on one unit today due to the heat?

"heard a rumour" must be one of the repetitive sayings in the railway enthusiast world. :rolleyes:

Im sure if such a thing occurred, it would be all over twitter like a rash.

Bovverboy · 24 Jul 2019

Bovverboy said:
Fun & games for folks this morning, the 0748 Wilmslow to Liverpool Lime Street semi-fast is being formed of two coaches instead of six!

Can anyone say which unit(s) actually worked the 0613 ex-Lime Street and 0748 ex-Wilmslow this morning? 'Journey Check' was saying that the 1516 ex-Lime Street and 1645 ex-Airport were also going to be formed of two coaches, but in reality 195117 turned up. After that trip 195117 was replaced by 156489, in order that 195117 could be sent to Preston Croft Street Sidings and stable overnight there.
The other '195' duty was covered by 195120, and the 'non-195' duty by 150138. What do you say - bring back the double 156s?

AMD · 24 Jul 2019

0613 1H99 and 0748 1F92 was 156481

507 001 · 24 Jul 2019

Paul_10 said:
"heard a rumour" must be one of the repetitive sayings in the railway enthusiast world.

Im sure if such a thing occurred, it would be all over twitter like a rash.

Well it came from staff, and I do work in the industry....

Llama · 24 Jul 2019

Paul_10 said:
"heard a rumour" must be one of the repetitive sayings in the railway enthusiast world.

Im sure if such a thing occurred, it would be all over twitter like a rash.

There are plenty of things that have happened with these units that were kept quiet that would also be 'all over Twitter like a rash'. Not that I am confirming or denying the fire bottles story.

Paul_10 · 25 Jul 2019

507 001 said:
Well it came from staff, and I do work in the industry....

Very nice but its just a repetitive saying that I hear alot and it does make me smile as alot of these rumours are unfounded.

If it's true then fair enough and maybe some discussion could be followed but I think unless you can back it up then probably best to stay quiet about it.

Bovverboy · 25 Jul 2019

Could someone remind me as to when further 195s are planned to enter service? I've seen a date in August mentioned, but I can't remember what it is.
As to routes they will go on I think we can be sure they will go on York-Blackpool (driver training probably wouldn't be taking place now if they were not) but are any more planned for Manchester Airport-Barrow/Windermere/Liverpool, or is the present 'half and half' situation likely to continue?

Llama · 25 Jul 2019

Early September looking likely for the Chester-Leeds service.

507 001 · 25 Jul 2019

Paul_10 said:
Very nice but its just a repetitive saying that I hear alot and it does make me smile as alot of these rumours are unfounded.

If it's true then fair enough and maybe some discussion could be followed but I think unless you can back it up then probably best to stay quiet about it.

Forgive me, I thought this was a discussion forum where things, including those heard on the grapevine, could be discussed and confirmed or debunked. Clearly I was wrong.

Mathew S · 25 Jul 2019

Does anyone happen to know what caused 195114 on the 0725 Airport - Barrow to terminate at Wigan this morning? It pulled in, passengers disembarked / boarded, then an automated tannoy announcement saying cancelled "due to a fault on this train." I ask because I know when I travelled on the unit yesterday, it was having aircon issues. With no opening windows, if that's still faulty, would that be enough to take a train out of service?

EDIT: RTT is giving the reason as M7, a problem with the doors.

driver_m · 25 Jul 2019

195 126 now sat on Edge Hill Sidings alongside 125.

PR1Berske · 25 Jul 2019

507 001 said:
Forgive me, I thought this was a discussion forum where things, including those heard on the grapevine, could be discussed and confirmed or debunked. Clearly I was wrong.

I don't speak for the forums or the admins, but having been online for decades, I can tell you that just posting rumours from the grapevine into the public domain can have legal consequences.

Paul_10 · 25 Jul 2019

507 001 said:
Forgive me, I thought this was a discussion forum where things, including those heard on the grapevine, could be discussed and confirmed or debunked. Clearly I was wrong.

For me personally I rather talk about facts than rumour though especially on serious matters which what you mentioned is definately the case.

The facts are these units do seem to have door issues which could lead to severe consequences and it is concerning this issue still persists. It only takes that one unfortunate accident which could land Northern back into the negative press again.

Harvey B · 25 Jul 2019

Apologies if this has already been aksed but when the all of the 195s what services will they operate? And will they operate any service in addition to Northern connect services

Plethora · 25 Jul 2019

Harvey B said:
Apologies if this has already been aksed but when the all of the 195s what services will they operate? And will they operare any service in addition to Northern connect services

The Random Unit Generator will have its way with them I suspect. I would be interested in the official plan as well.

aswilliamsuk · 25 Jul 2019

AMD said:
0613 1H99 and 0748 1F92 was 156481

I wonder if that was the 156 I saw later in the day at Wilmslow, working 2F29 vice the usual 319/323? Going through Picc at 1721 (and it lost an awful lot of time through Oxford Road) can't have been fun...

Harvey B · 25 Jul 2019

Plethora said:
The Random Unit Generator will have its way with them I suspect. I would be interested in the official plan as well.

Me too, I'm curious if they are going to be used on non-connect routes too. At least from december you'll know that your not getting a pacer anymore

BMIFlyer · 25 Jul 2019

Paul_10 said:
"heard a rumour" must be one of the repetitive sayings in the railway enthusiast world.

Im sure if such a thing occurred, it would be all over twitter like a rash.

Well, unfortunately for you, it DID happen and it was 195116 between Man Airport and Heald Green where the fire bottle went off on one of the engines.

Happened on Tuesday just gone on the 1550 Man Airport to Liverpool service.

Bovverboy · 25 Jul 2019

AMD said:
0613 1H99 and 0748 1F92 was 156481

aswilliamsuk said:
I wonder if that was the 156 I saw later in the day at Wilmslow, working 2F29 vice the usual 319/323? Going through Picc at 1721 (and it lost an awful lot of time through Oxford Road) can't have been fun...

Sorry, the 156 you saw on 2F29 was unlikely to have been 156481, it looks like the one on 2F29 had been on the diagram from start of service.

Bovverboy said:
The current favourite for DMU substitution seems to be the one which starts 0616 Crewe - Liverpool, which is an Allerton duty. It was a 2-car DMU today, not sure if it was a 150/2 or a 156, it had gangways.

507021 · 25 Jul 2019

Harvey B said:
Me too, I'm curious if they are going to be used on non-connect routes too. At least from december you'll know that your not getting a pacer anymore

The Class 144s will be staying until the middle of next year.

_toommm_ · 25 Jul 2019

507021 said:
The Class 144s will be staying until the middle of next year.

I'm surprised they're keeping the 144s when they're limited as to where they can do due to traction knowledge vs the 142s.

Just out of curiosity, do you know the rationale behind that?

507021 · 25 Jul 2019

_toommm_ said:
I'm surprised they're keeping the 144s when they're limited as to where they can do due to traction knowledge vs the 142s.

Just out of curiosity, do you know the rationale behind that?

They're a bit newer and have better interiors.

Bertie the bus · 25 Jul 2019

_toommm_ said:
I'm surprised they're keeping the 144s when they're limited as to where they can do due to traction knowledge vs the 142s.

If, and it is if, they keep just 23 units into next year why would they need the ability to go anywhere? They manage to keep the 144s in Yorkshire now so they should be able to keep them in Yorkshire for a few extra months.

_toommm_ · 25 Jul 2019

Bertie the bus said:
If, and it is if, they keep just 23 units into next year why would they need the ability to go anywhere? They manage to keep the 144s in Yorkshire now so they should be able to keep them in Yorkshire for a few extra months.

But will they be route cleared/traction knowledge cleared to cover for shortfalls in the right geographical area? That's more what I was alluding to...

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