To be fair, GX were only running a half hourly service between Gatwick and Victoria, with the through trains from Brighton cancelled. In addition there was ticket acceptance on the GX of Southern/Thameslink tickets so an awful lot of holidaymakers with luggage did fill up the GX services, rather than fighting their way onto already full Southern/Thameslink trains.
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ptreanor
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There's the answer then, go for French LGV style track and catenary, wouldn't please the "not invented here" brigade though....
Bromley boy
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HS1 only operates at 1/3 or so of its theoretical capacity.
Turned up at KGX for 1N32 1930 KGX NCL (Newcastle) to be met with an array of cancellations across the board.
Just left at around 2050 on an additional 1G33 2030 KGX NCL.
Looks like passengers for stations between NCL & EDB (Edinburgh) will be on road transport from NCL.
Luckily not going that far !
Just left at around 2050 on an additional 1G33 2030 KGX NCL.
Looks like passengers for stations between NCL & EDB (Edinburgh) will be on road transport from NCL.
Luckily not going that far !
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I was on a rail replacement bus last year with heat in the high 20's and the driver left the heating on inside, almost unbearable!
RealTrains07
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Iam surprised SWR hasnt been as affected today they have done well compared to GWR and the north of the country.
It has been disastrous for EMT and also just Everything out of Euston in general
Tickets being valid on other services is great just not when every other train company is suffering as much as the next
It has been disastrous for EMT and also just Everything out of Euston in general
Tickets being valid on other services is great just not when every other train company is suffering as much as the next
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Fenton!! Oh Jesus Christ...It makes you want to weep doesn’t it. FFS.
Bizarre. Left Kings Cross 149 late at 1856 and then terminated 20 minutes later!
Bromley boy
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Deserved a link
. This is the correct way to chase a dog - no juice rails to trip you up.
ScotRail seem to have had a surprisingly good day today. Normally this sort of heat would have meant wire problems around Partick but all ok and all the new OHLE seems to have worked fine. Bathgate to Uphall was a bit of a mess in the evening peak though.
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I must say, it would appear SWR had a fairly good day until the incident with the dog at Waterloo... I retract the quoted statement about expecting disruption.
I guess my best bet is to wake up early and see how things might pan out then.
This is stuff people put up with all over the world on a daily basis. Yes, it's a bad day for the railway today in the UK, but 4 hours on a hot train to Manchester is nothing compared to other routine rail journeys elsewhere in the world.
Its hot. People were warned. It's not exactly the end of the world. To think my grandmother slept in the cupboard under the stairs every night through the Blitz and then commuted to central London every day to work aged 14 so future generations could chuck their toys out the pram because it was a bit hot on a train for four hours today and they got "drenched in sweat". Come on people, please.
That sounds appalling. I was on a train on Tuesday evening for 45 minutes in which the aircon had broken; four hours in today's heat must have been seriously gruesome. I really think that air-conditioned trains need to have windows that can be opened by staff in the event that the aircon isn't working. Overheating can be lethal and I think that an "Oh well, what can you do?" shrug of the shoulders is not an appropriate response.
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It was indeed. I live on the top of a hill and it was very close at one point!
No they don't.
It's still all fixed tension on the whole line, I recall. So sagging is not surprising.
The HS2 OLE was built to a higher standard than most of the UK's installations. No Headspans, closer pylons and higher tension. I've not heard of any problems with the GWML OLE today, - yes the one that so many said was gold plated and completely unnecessary! Still it was engineered by a Swiss company so that speaks for itself.
I've always known about the GE's ex-1500VDC OLE sagging because it is fixed lengths with no tension adjustment. But Simon Calder made me think by saying (for the benefit of lay listeners) that OLE was fitted with pulley systems and weights to maintain a roughly constant tension. He went on to say that some of these weight systems are ending up with the weights bottoming out meaning that any additional expansion in the wires causes sagging. So there will no doubt be a review of the range of temperatures that the tension compensators can cope with as climate change heralds mor days like this. Does anybody know if the Tensorex units being put into new installations have a wide enough range to cope with extremes in the future?
bramling
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Tomorrow morning will be interesting on GN as it appears something close to none of the evening peak 365s came out to play, which presumably means they’re all at Hornsey when they normally stable at Peterborough or Letchworth overnight. Looks like a 5R66 is coming out of Hornsey to run to Letchworth (either empty or in service) which will make up one of the morning’s Baldock 365 services, or two if they run as 4 cars, but it will be quite an ask to get the remaining units in place for the morning.
Lots of interesting posts on here, just a couple of anecdotes which may be of interest to some (by the way, we changed our plans for today and decided not to travel)
A few years back I was refused a Day Return ticket on the Condor from Weymouth to Jersey as the forecast meant the evening crossing was in doubt - it was cancelled. The problem nowadays, of course, is that people can book online if refused at the station.
I was on a train in India which came to a halt seemingly in the middle of nowhere but people just got off and sat in the shade by lineside. Despite the apparent remoteness, after a remarkably short period of time vendors appeared selling drinks and snacks to the waiting passengers. After a couple of hours, a long blast on the engine horn was the signal for everyone to rejoin the train. I imagine 4 hours on a claustrophic Pendelino with failed aircon would be a far worse experience.
A few years back I was refused a Day Return ticket on the Condor from Weymouth to Jersey as the forecast meant the evening crossing was in doubt - it was cancelled. The problem nowadays, of course, is that people can book online if refused at the station.
I was on a train in India which came to a halt seemingly in the middle of nowhere but people just got off and sat in the shade by lineside. Despite the apparent remoteness, after a remarkably short period of time vendors appeared selling drinks and snacks to the waiting passengers. After a couple of hours, a long blast on the engine horn was the signal for everyone to rejoin the train. I imagine 4 hours on a claustrophic Pendelino with failed aircon would be a far worse experience.
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No they don't.
MML south should get tensorex ones as part of the 125mph upgradeThe HS2 OLE was built to a higher standard than most of the UK's installations. No Headspans, closer pylons and higher tension. I've not heard of any problems with the GWML OLE today, - yes the one that so many said was gold plated and completely unnecessary! Still it was engineered by a Swiss company so that speaks for itself.
I've always known about the GE's ex-1500VDC OLE sagging because it is fixed lengths with no tension adjustment. But Simon Calder made me think by saying (for the benefit of lay listeners) that OLE was fitted with pulley systems and weights to maintain a roughly constant tension. He went on to say that some of these weight systems are ending up with the weights bottoming out meaning that any additional expansion in the wires causes sagging. So there will no doubt be a review of the range of temperatures that the tension compensators can cope with as climate change heralds mor days like this. Does anybody know if the Tensorex units being put into new installations have a wide enough range to cope with extremes in the future?
RealTrains07
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I feel your pain, yesterday stuck on a train at wolves after a signal decided to fail just before we left the station then various incidents north of the line really messed up services on birmingham trains. It was horrible. Probably nothing compared to you but being stranded at a station on a hot train not knowing if your coming or going, trains all around you stuck or getting cancelled its not fun and thats only half the story.
Guess for us we where slightly lucky in that the only air con we had was the doors being open while stuck at wolves
Oh yes they do...
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