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LNR new WCML timetable, May 2019 (in open data feeds)

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jimjim

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Excelled themselves today... 1305 Liverpool - Euston 12L at Rugby so Control order run fast Bletchley-Euston. It’s got a 13 dwell at Northampton so right time off there, far too difficult for them to have either realised this made it a pointless idea to start with or bothered to put the stops back in. Shower from top to bottom.

There are a few reasons why you might want a train to run early.

Maybe you are missing a member of train crew so you grab someone who is passing on an earlier train and get them to work the service instead However it might be preferable to make sure the service out of Euston runs on time so they run it fast into Euston to protect the peak out of Euston

Or a member of train crew has agreed some overtime but must be on a certain train back to book off. Better to run the train fast for some then to cancel it for all.

Or there is an issue with the slow lines so it might be better for the overall service if it gets diverted onto the fast lines but runs fast. The signaller might be more willing to put a non stopping service out on to the fast line then a stopper.

Or the unit had a safety related defect at the north end, got swapped at Rugby to go back south which is OK. Then you either terminate it at Northampton for fitters but that has displaced train crew for the peak and would be a short form and seeing how this timetable is probably loads of delays and cancellations too.

So maybe they run the service to Euston and try and bury the defective end. Maybe they searched around for different ways to bury the end with various unit swaps, probably not helped by the fact there aren't many four cars into Euston at that time of day plus a lack of platforms to hide units in for extended dwell time and the only way was to run it fast to Euston to get it in front of the unit it is booked to couple up to. A bonus if that unit stays coupled until the end of day.

Any of those are possible including forgetting it is booked time somewhere but I guess as there was a swap at Rugby I would go for the unit fault....
 
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Glad i wasnt in Birmingham today after that shambles

Service to Birmingham has been shocking since the timetable kinda miss the trent valley service
 

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I must admit, it was all over the place last night at Birmingham International, I'd got FR668 back from Dublin and as soon as I seen everything was delayed going South to Coventry (where I'd parked my car) and beyond, I was like "Ah OK". One of VT's staff said that there was signal issues which of course isn't the fault of LNWR it's just one of those things. Alas I got back to Coventry just before midnight. Had a good day in Dublin though so one can't moan :lol:
 

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Currently stuck at wolves on an LNR birmingham to crewe train thanks to a points failure blocking the line to stafford. Timetable is collapsing in on itself stations losing services. LNR pr network rail made no announcements about it. Frustrating
 

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Side note. This may not be completely relevant but Chris Grayling has resigned. Rejoice transport is safe
 

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Not for certain, when Stechford went bang yesterday New St ran out of platforms and trains from the north were standing outside the station as nothing much could move so being split still wouldnt have helped.
 

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Not for certain, when Stechford went bang yesterday New St ran out of platforms and trains from the north were standing outside the station as nothing much could move so being split still wouldnt have helped.

That's a fairly extreme situation, though; New St itself is rarely fully shut down, and you do have the potential to turn a few trains at Wolverhampton which is easier to do when they'd only have gone to New St otherwise.
 

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Item on BBC West Midlands News. WMT are going to look at possibility of recasting the Chase Line as a stand alone service
 

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Item on BBC West Midlands News. WMT are going to look at possibility of recasting the Chase Line as a stand alone service
Thats Great snd all but what about the splitter, gonna have 4 extra carriages on a crewe train going spare
 

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On a website about interim changes being made to the timetable on local West Midlands services (mainly strengthening some overcrowded services), sorry I can't find the link again. There is a reference to 'secondhand trains' coming later this year from Trans Pennine Express. I am assuming that these will be 350/4s so will be added to the LNR fleet
 

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Late night news last night (24th July). This link will be available for only a few more hours.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00073gf/midlands-today-late-news-24072019 about 3 minutes into programme

Report on the Chase Line at Rugeley TV. Peter Plisner (BBC Midlands Transport Correspondent) interviews Francis Thomas of WMT. I think I got the suggestion of the Chase Line being recast from yesterdays's mid-day news which is no longer available on iPlayer. Peter's comment is that they are relying on long-distance trains to provide the local services, a point I have made several times.
 

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On a website about interim changes being made to the timetable on local West Midlands services (mainly strengthening some overcrowded services), sorry I can't find the link again. There is a reference to 'secondhand trains' coming later this year from Trans Pennine Express. I am assuming that these will be 350/4s so will be added to the LNR fleet

Yes, that's the 350/4s (10 of them once the bent one is fixed). They will allow, for instance, all TV services to be 8-car, or close to all of them, plus other strengthenings.

I hope they are dedicated to the TV services with their far better First Class. LNR will get some First Class fares out of me if they do.
 

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Yes, that's the 350/4s (10 of them once the bent one is fixed). They will allow, for instance, all TV services to be 8-car, or close to all of them, plus other strengthenings.

I hope they are dedicated to the TV services with their far better First Class. LNR will get some First Class fares out of me if they do.
Just wait till the first refurbed 350/1 goes into service next week. First class might surprise you their
 

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What on earth are you talking about? There is no change to the current layout on the refurbs.
Iam not suggesting their is, but the quality if seating might be improved and technically their is nothing to suggest they wont go with 2x1 seating for first class anyway
 

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Just wait till the first refurbed 350/1 goes into service next week. First class might surprise you their

It won't. The seats are the originals, and 2+2 "First Class" is not First Class and I will not pay for it. The Grammer E3000 2+2 seats in Standard of a /1 or /3 are far more comfortable and, to be honest, as long as nobody is directly next to me I'd probably take Standard in a /2 as well.

Presently the Class 319s are the only units in LNR service with acceptable (i.e. worth paying for in my book, i.e. 2+1) First Class.
 

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It won't. The seats are the originals, and 2+2 "First Class" is not First Class and I will not pay for it. The Grammer E3000 2+2 seats in Standard of a /1 or /3 are far more comfortable and, to be honest, as long as nobody is directly next to me I'd probably take Standard in a /2 as well.

Presently the Class 319s are the only units in LNR service with acceptable (i.e. worth paying for in my book, i.e. 2+1) First Class.

Iam surprised they have first class seating.

Did you get affected by the heat today? LNR were disastrous with how they handled reducing the timetable in the heatwave in my opinion
 

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Iam surprised they have first class seating.

Did you get affected by the heat today? LNR were disastrous with how they handled reducing the timetable in the heatwave in my opinion

The LNR timetable is just disastrous full stop. Any disruption just leaves it in pieces. Fortunately I didn't attempt to use it.

They need to revert to a separate service either side of New St - that's the only thing that in my eye will fix it.
 
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