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What did the Class 165 / 166 replace?
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Ash Bridge
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Both I would have thought, locomotives such as classes 47 & 50, and a mixture of DMUs such as 101s 104, 117, 119 etc.
Helvellyn
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Even some Class 205 DEMUs with the Basingstoke-Reading services.
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They also replaced some 150/155 on services from Oxford towards Worcester although I seem to recall there was some overlap. They didn't directly replace any Class 50 from the Thames Valley. The Class 50 moved away to be concentrated on Waterloo - Exeter so that for a year (or more?) all LHCS in the Thames Valley was Class 47 before 165/166 introduction. It may be worth noting that some of the first 165 in the Thames Valley were what are now Chiltern units.
Not forgetting the branch line bubble cars, the 121s that were occasionally paired with driving trailers (class 149s).
The Turbos weren't the first 2nd generation multiple units on the inner suburban GWML, I had the rare opportunity to ride on a class 210 as a youngster. IIRC, these units had been withdrawn long before the Turbos arrived in the early 1990's.
The Turbos weren't the first 2nd generation multiple units on the inner suburban GWML, I had the rare opportunity to ride on a class 210 as a youngster. IIRC, these units had been withdrawn long before the Turbos arrived in the early 1990's.
The bulk of the Paddington dmu services were covered by the big batch of Pressed Steel Class 117 3-car units, as they had been since they were built 30 years earlier. Although they got a bit mixed with other WR sets towards the end they were still the vast majority. They lasted surprisingly well, and often were still in the original vehicle order as delivered several decades previously - the WR seemed to make more effort with this than elsewhere.
There were a number of peak hour full sized Mk 1 trains with Class 47 (and various locos before) running Paddington to Oxford, stopping at the stations beyond Reading and also providing Paddington to Reading peak period capacity.
The branches used various combinations of the associated Pressed Steel single cars, some with the driving trailers, some two single cars coupled, some on their own.
There were a number of peak hour full sized Mk 1 trains with Class 47 (and various locos before) running Paddington to Oxford, stopping at the stations beyond Reading and also providing Paddington to Reading peak period capacity.
The branches used various combinations of the associated Pressed Steel single cars, some with the driving trailers, some two single cars coupled, some on their own.
Peter Mugridge
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These also ran to Newbury.
The residential hauled sets were also used at weekends and holidays on services to the West Country and elsewhere.
The suburban services from Paddington were traditionally some of the quietest of all the London termini, indeed in the days of the Mk1 DMUs there were some 1 car formations in the peaks on the Greenford services, which was in comparison to the SR, GE and LTS where 12 car trains were commonplace at the time!
The suburban services from Paddington were traditionally some of the quietest of all the London termini, indeed in the days of the Mk1 DMUs there were some 1 car formations in the peaks on the Greenford services, which was in comparison to the SR, GE and LTS where 12 car trains were commonplace at the time!
CarltonA
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The 165/0 class was intended for the Chiltern route from the outset but was diverted to the GWML temporarily until the Thames Turbo units were delivered. (Just adding for clarity, I expect Siemens Staines knew that already).
I also got a 207 on that line once.
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They were quite common on it towards the end of DEMU services.
The one I caught seemed very well kept on the inside - as though it had only recently been re-upholstered in Bournemouth Blue.
MatthewRead
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Wasn't the North Downs line the last to receive Turbos in 1993.
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When I commuted between Slough and Windsor for a spell in 1989 it was a mixture of 2-car 101s and bubble car + trailer combos.
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