LNER Lincoln services - September 2019

Failed Unit · 30 Jul 2019

Does anyone know when these are scheduled to start?

They are in real-time so that is a tick in the box.

However you can’t book on them and if you try you don’t get offered advanced tickets (which I also notice is true if you only ask to go to Newark)

What is the potential delay here?

Azuma clearance to Lincoln?
Acceptance of the 5 car Azuma (if they are planning to use it day 1)

Or something else, rumour on the street suggests that it will not be September but later in the autumn. I am a little surprised if early September was still the plan LNER would have had lots of local publicity (not mentioned in local press for a few months)

Any gen would be greatly appreciated.

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D6975 · 30 Jul 2019

I just tried to book a ticket and was offered an advance to Kings Cross for 38.50. (on the 0730 direct LNER service)

Jorge Da Silva · 30 Jul 2019

D6975 said:
I just tried to book a ticket and was offered an advance to Kings Cross for 38.50. (on the 0730 direct LNER service)

Isn’t that the existing service? Try the 9:30. There are non after the 7:30 to/from Lincoln only the existing direct services. I have heard the service is likely to start later in the autumn.

Failed Unit · 30 Jul 2019

Yes the existing 0730 (Southbound) and the 1906 (Northbound) are the only ones showing.

If I attempt to book London - Lincoln on 11th September departing after 1000 - I get offer the 1030 only (change at Newark)

The 1006 isn't offered (but on this example I am seeing AP fares if I request Newark)

Jorge Da Silva · 30 Jul 2019

Failed Unit said:
Yes the existing 0730 (Southbound) and the 1906 (Northbound) are the only ones showing.

If I attempt to book London - Lincoln on 11th September departing after 1000 - I get offer the 1030 only (change at Newark)

The 1006 isn't offered (but on this example I am seeing AP fares if I request Newark)

Same. However the extra services will start during the existing timetable (i.e. before December)

Failed Unit · 30 Jul 2019

Jorge Da Silva said:
Same. However the extra services will start during the existing timetable (i.e. before December)

I saw that document you posted on another thread saying it looks like it will be later in the autumn. I wonder what the problem is. I assume the Azuma's are cleared now? Don't know if they have being used in all the recent dewirements or if it is only the HSTs that have diverted.

Jorge Da Silva · 30 Jul 2019

Failed Unit said:
I saw that document you posted on another thread saying it looks like it will be later in the autumn. I wonder what the problem is. I assume the Azuma's are cleared now? Don't know if they have being used in all the recent dewirements or if it is only the HSTs that have diverted.

Late arrival of Azumas? Again when the new deadline was made the Azumas still had not arrived and they didn’t until May (5 months later than planned. By my calculations that makes it October 2019 for the extra Lincoln services. New deadline was first mentioned in about March 2019.

Failed Unit · 30 Jul 2019

I wonder which Azuma's they plan to use. The 5 cars are enough capacity wise but I think they inter-work at the moment so that could mess up other services.

Saying that.

1118 Lincoln - London (1323)
1406 London - Lincoln (1600)
1714 Lincoln - London (1923)

Could work but would they really want a 5 car Azuma stuck at bounds green with no real service it could be used on until the 1006 the following day.

TVLUser · 30 Jul 2019

Failed Unit said:
I saw that document you posted on another thread saying it looks like it will be later in the autumn. I wonder what the problem is. I assume the Azuma's are cleared now? Don't know if they have being used in all the recent dewirements or if it is only the HSTs that have diverted.

Azumas have diverted via Lincoln on a number of occasions due to ECML disruption.

Class 170101 · 30 Jul 2019

The Azumas need to be ready by August Bank Holiday weekend otherwise I would imagine they have no hope of providing a half Hourly service avoiding Newark Flat Crossing on Bank Holiday Monday.

TheBigD · 21 Aug 2019

The latest Modern Railways, Septenber edition, states that the 5 additional Lincoln services are now likely to start in October.

It also states that that the introduction of Azumas to Aberdeen and Inverness is likely to take place mid November.

Peregrine 4903 · 27 Aug 2019

I'm booking train tickets for my dad to Lincoln for the 19th October. Will the Lincoln services from Kings Cross be running by then and will they run at weekends?

Class 170101 · 27 Aug 2019

Peregrine 4903 said:
I'm booking train tickets for my dad to Lincoln for the 19th October. Will the Lincoln services from Kings Cross be running by then and will they run at weekends?

Real Time Trains currently suggests they are planned to run on this day.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...9/0200-0159?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=GR

Jorge Da Silva · 29 Aug 2019

https://thelincolnite.co.uk/2019/08/extra-lincoln-london-direct-trains-coming-from-october/

14 October 2019 extra Lincoln services will begin.

LNER is putting on the long-awaited extra direct trains between Lincoln and London Kings Cross from Monday, October 14.

In addition to the current one direct train in the morning from Lincoln and one return from London in the evening, there will be four extra services (both outbound in return), half of which will be on new Azuma trains.

LNER is taking bookings on its website for the below services from October 14, which will be running Monday to Friday.

The weekend services timetable is not available yet (starting October 19). The current direct services already operate on Saturdays too.

Lincoln to London direct trains (Mon-Fri)

Current Departs Lincoln 7.30am, arriving at London Kings Cross (KGX) 9.26am (1hr56m)

New Departs Lincoln 11.18am, arriving KGX 1.23pm (2hr 5min) (Azuma train)

New Departs Lincoln 1.23pm, arriving KGX 3.23pm (2hr)

New Departs Lincoln 3.26pm, arriving KGX 5.23pm (1hr 57min) (Azuma train)

New Departs Lincoln 5.15pm, arriving KGX 7.23pm (2hr 8min)

London to Lincoln direct trains (Mon-Fri)

New Departs London Kings Cross (KGX) 10.06am, arriving at Lincoln 12.04pm (1hr 58min) (Azuma train)

New Departs KGX 12.06pm, arriving at Lincoln 2.07pm (2hr 1min)

New Departs KGX 2.06pm, arriving at Lincoln 4.03pm (1hr 57min) (Azuma train)

New Departs KGX 4.06pm, arriving at Lincoln 6.08pm (2hr 2min)

Current Departs KGX 7.06pm, arriving at Lincoln 9.03pm (1hr 57min)

Earlier this year LNER said it will be introducing by the end of the year hourly direct services to and from Lincoln – London Kings Cross.

It appears the East Coast Main Line franchise operator will be phasing in the extra services through the autumn into the winter.

Half of the new services will be on the new Azuma trains, introduced on the line since May, which operate diesel/electric hybrids, with faster acceleration and more seating, yet extra leg room for both standard and first class.

East Midlands Railway (formerly East Midlands Trains) also operates a direct service between Lincoln and London St Pancras International station. It departs Lincoln at 7.04am arriving 2hrs 51min later into St Pancras at 9.55am. The return departs London at 6.05pm, arriving into Lincoln 2hrs 47min later at 8.52pm.

swt_passenger · 29 Aug 2019

Not sure about the Lincolns eventually becoming hourly, as reported in the article above, that detail wasn’t in the ECML track access application.

AFAICS the paths to and from Kings Cross are alternate with Harrogate trains (and also provide for the single Hull service each way).

STEVIEBOY1 · 29 Aug 2019

I assume that these Lincoln trains will replace the services that start / end KGX / Newark.?

Jorge Da Silva · 29 Aug 2019

STEVIEBOY1 said:
I assume that these Lincoln trains will replace the services that start / end KGX / Newark.?

They are extended Newark services

Failed Unit · 29 Aug 2019

Still some booking gremlins. I couldn’t use AP tickets on 1029 Ex Stevenage service to Lincoln but could if I went beyond Lincoln (and changed Newark)

10 car Azuma shown to Newark, just Azuma afterwards. We will see as I doubt they will drop 5 off at Newark.

Nice to see it real after 10 years (since NX announces it using class 180s)

carlosfandango · 30 Aug 2019

swt_passenger said:
Not sure about the Lincolns eventually becoming hourly, as reported in the article above, that detail wasn’t in the ECML track access application.

AFAICS the paths to and from Kings Cross are alternate with Harrogate trains (and also provide for the single Hull service each way).

Could they not run hourly as a 10 car to Newark, 5 on to Harrogate and 5 on to Lincoln?

swt_passenger · 30 Aug 2019

carlosfandango said:
Could they not run hourly as a 10 car to Newark, 5 on to Harrogate and 5 on to Lincoln?

Theoretically maybe, but that isn’t what the track access application records, it clearly showed both Harrogate and Lincoln as destinations with a 2tph service.

philjo · 30 Aug 2019

The Harrogate services are extensions of the existing xx:33 Kings Cross to Leeds services in the odd hours, starting in December.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...19/12/18/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt

swt_passenger · 30 Aug 2019

philjo said:
The Harrogate services are extensions of the existing xx:33 Kings Cross to Leeds services in the odd hours, starting in December.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...19/12/18/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt

Yes, but I think in a later phase (shown in the TAA) there are then supposed to be occasional extensions of the half hourly fast Leeds via Wakefield, and another separate 2 hourly slower Harrogate/Lincoln service. (Would that be via Hambleton?)

But thats future detail, the main point I was hoping to make was that there don’t appear to be any plans for hourly Lincolns.

Crisps · 30 Aug 2019

Confirmation by LNER, including times: https://www.lner.co.uk/news/lincoln-trains/

trawler · 30 Aug 2019

And hopefully onwards to Grimsby one day!

Class 170101 · 30 Aug 2019

swt_passenger said:
Not sure about the Lincolns eventually becoming hourly, as reported in the article above, that detail wasn’t in the ECML track access application.

AFAICS the paths to and from Kings Cross are alternate with Harrogate trains (and also provide for the single Hull service each way).

Currently the Newark / Lincolns alternate with the York services.

trawler said:
And hopefully onwards to Grimsby one day!

Wish you luck with that. Maybe Cleethorpes as an early up service and a late down service but thats about it I would say. Journey time about three hours
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trawler · 30 Aug 2019

What this space!

STEVIEBOY1 · 31 Aug 2019

Through trains from London to Grimsby & Cleethorpes would be good.

Failed Unit · 31 Aug 2019

Have managed to book on the first week. 5 coach Azuma as expected (which will be more than enough capacity for that time of day)

It is a pity they haven’t managed to get a 0930ish departure from Lincoln - London (even in December 2019 timetable) as it will plug a gap at Newark Northgate as well. But can’t think of any big gaps heading North once the 0808 service starts.

Cleethorpes would be a nice and not too difficult extension. Not sure how much the ECS is used for route knowledge retention. But you would hope starting the 0730 back would create a decent flow. Many are commenting on in the local press that a service via sleaford and spalding would be useful. Ticks the route knowledge box but I can’t see those towns generating more revenue the Newark and Grantham.

swt_passenger · 31 Aug 2019

Class 170101 said:
Currently the Newark / Lincolns alternate with the York services...

Yes, I was trying to reflect the eventual situation in the track access application when all the improvements are in place. Anyway, the later linked article and the LNER announcement both give no basis for the originally reported hourly service, so it was almost certainly a journalist fail...

Class 170101 · 31 Aug 2019

Failed Unit said:
Cleethorpes would be a nice and not too difficult extension. Not sure how much the ECS is used for route knowledge retention. But you would hope starting the 0730 back would create a decent flow. Many are commenting on in the local press that a service via sleaford and spalding would be useful. Ticks the route knowledge box but I can’t see those towns generating more revenue the Newark and Grantham.

ECS from Leeds runs via Gainsborough most of the week to reach Lincoln.

LNER Lincoln services - September 2019

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