Lothian Buses and ECB Discussion

scosutsut · 29 Jul 2019

Graham19862104 said:
Just seen 1142 getting a tow from mcphee truck along London road

It's back out, passed me this morning on the 25.

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ect76 · 29 Jul 2019

494 in Zoo livery running the 4 to the Jewel just now - not something I've noticed before.

tbtc · 29 Jul 2019

Roilshead said:
Really? Is this the level of this forum?? A bus broke down. They've been doing that for years; would you like me to send you picture proving that the Pope is a Roman Catholic? What would the founders of the Omnibus Society or PSV Circle think if they'd come here?

Agreed - the way that some people on here were getting giddy every time the Lothian Motorcoaches vehicle broke down in CityLink duties was a little OTT.

takno said:
Most companies I've been in would do this as a matter of course. They'd wash graffiti off your shop window if people wrote criticism of them there, so why wouldn't it they want to control their Facebook page? It's an advert

This is completely normal social media management which all companies do. I doubt anybody even asked management. Why are you so determined to see a grand conspiracy in everything?

I'm not seeing any conspiracy either - looks like they took down a Facebook post once the "event" would have been running - i.e. share the bad news that it's been cancelled but once the appointed hour has finished, there's no reason why you'd want negative information on the website - just like you might take down a message warning people of roadworks last week or historic delays - it's a social media feed to promote a company, not a matter of record - who cares if they remove things that are no longer newsworthy?

computerSaysNo · 29 Jul 2019

90019 said:
This is incorrect.
Travelling to or from Queensferry on the 43 with a day ticket requires the £5 CityWest one.

I messaged Lothian on Facebook a few weeks ago and they said that going to Queensferry on a day ticket on any route requires the £5 CityWest one (including on the 63).

Darklord8899 · 29 Jul 2019

GregA said:
I messaged Lothian on Facebook a few weeks ago and they said that going to Queensferry on a day ticket on any route requires the £5 CityWest one (including on the 63).

If you look at the current timetables for the 20 and the 63, it only mentions city fares, however the timetables also state that the information is correct at time of printing and subject to change at a later date..... so it could be that the fares have changed, but not been publicised......

If you look at the current network map, it clearly shows Ratho, Ratho Station, Kirkliston and Queensferry as being in the City West fare zone....
(Which would imply that a single cash fare from Gyle to Ratho/Kirkliston/Queensferry would be £2.70)

ScotRail158725 · 29 Jul 2019

Ricky Kane said:
do you have the rest of the fleet numbers also herd 857 been withdrawn as well

why would 857 be withdrawn?

FlybeDash8Q400 · 29 Jul 2019

857 was out on X37 this morning

Auld reekie · 29 Jul 2019

According to BBC talks are taking place just now to try and resolve the strike situation.

SpeedbirdA350 · 29 Jul 2019

I got on the new Volvo eVora today, demonstrator. Few things I noticed. First, smooth journey. I like it. It's quiet too and seats were okay. It does seem small compared to the 7905LHs. Similar to the electric ones. hopper box I felt was in the road of reaching the machine however I know the issues in trying to get it installed in the first place so I shall let it slide. Main negitive for me though was it never showed up on the tracker so I had no idea it was about to turn the corner and this is something Lothian could sort . No bandit screen was a massive bonus, and although I understand why they are installed and why drivers want them, it makes communicating with the driver much easier, and also reaching the machine too.

I am somewhat confused as to why this is even on demo with Lothian. ADL and Lothian are now in bed...

Jordan Adam · 29 Jul 2019

Seeing further photos of 1125 it looks fantastic. Perhaps @OmniCity999 will know but is the livery paint or vinyl?

Auld reekie said:
According to BBC talks are taking place just now to try and resolve the strike situation.

Imo the BBC article is somewhat of a non story. During the time like this the talks between Lothian and the unions are going to be ongoing. So the phrase "Fresh new talks" to me is utter nonsense.

Auld reekie · 29 Jul 2019

Jordan Adam said:
Seeing further photos of 1125 it looks fantastic. Perhaps @OmniCity999 will know but is the livery paint or vinyl?

Imo the BBC article is somewhat of a non story. During the time like this the talks between Lothian and the unions are going to be ongoing. So the phrase "Fresh new talks" to me is utter nonsense.

You might be right.

SpeedbirdA350 · 29 Jul 2019

Jordan Adam said:
Seeing further photos of 1125 it looks fantastic. Perhaps @OmniCity999 will know but is the livery paint or vinyl?

Imo the BBC article is somewhat of a non story. During the time like this the talks between Lothian and the unions are going to be ongoing. So the phrase "Fresh new talks" to me is utter nonsense.

It to me looks like a wrap. It's stunning though. I hope they keep 1125 like that for a while.

As for the BBC story, I assume they were talking about todays talks with CEC and RH which is hardly fresh talks.

Jordan Adam · 29 Jul 2019

SpeedbirdA350 said:
It to me looks like a wrap. It's stunning though. I hope they keep her like that for a while. As for the BBC story, I assume they were talking about todays talks with CEC and RH which is hardly fresh talks.

Yeah looks superb, i thought it was a wrap too however wasn't too sure. If i'm not mistaken the plan for 1125 is for it to be used for advertisements, so a wrap makes sense. They possibly were referring to that but they could've came up with a better headline!

SpeedbirdA350 · 29 Jul 2019

Jordan Adam said:
Yeah looks superb, i thought it was a wrap too however wasn't too sure. If i'm not mistaken the plan for 1125 is for it to be used for advertisements, so a wrap makes sense. They possibly were referring to that but they could've came up with a better headline!

I think they are just trying to grab as many straws as they can and run a new story. Each click = ad revenue and thus £££ so the more stories...

Yes, 1125 does look like it will be the replacement for 551 which was the bus which done all that before it was moved to Livi depot.

Jordan Adam · 29 Jul 2019

SpeedbirdA350 said:
I think they are just trying to grab as many straws as they can and run a new story. Each click = ad revenue and thus £££ so the more stories...

Yes, 1125 does look like it will be the replacement for 551 which was the bus which done all that before it was moved to Livi depot.

Indeed. Much like half of EEN's Lothian posts!

Having a XLB for all over wraps is a smart move, will make quite a good bit of revenue given their sheer size and presence.

ScotRail158725 · 29 Jul 2019

Jordan Adam said:
Seeing further photos of 1125 it looks fantastic. Perhaps @OmniCity999 will know but is the livery paint or vinyl?

Imo the BBC article is somewhat of a non story. During the time like this the talks between Lothian and the unions are going to be ongoing. So the phrase "Fresh new talks" to me is utter nonsense.

vinyl, only been out a week a repaint takes way longer

Jordan Adam · 29 Jul 2019

ScotRail158725 said:
vinyl, only been out a week a repaint takes way longer

Thanks, after posting i had another detailed look and noticed you can see a few signs of it being a vinyl. Glad to see some commonsense as repainting the bus entirely wouldn't be all that logical.

gghdeo · 29 Jul 2019

https://www.donaldstirling.me.uk/Lo...ff/Lothian-overall-adverts-and-li/i-ffmjnnf/A

I’m assuming this special livery is just a one off and that the Lothian Motorcoaches / Airlink font isn’t going to replace the main Lothian logo, but nonetheless, this one bus has two completely different logos on it. My inner need for consistency really struggles with this! It’s messy.

TheEastCoaster · 29 Jul 2019

Darklord8899 said:
If you look at the current timetables for the 20 and the 63, it only mentions city fares, however the timetables also state that the information is correct at time of printing and subject to change at a later date..... so it could be that the fares have changed, but not been publicised......

If you look at the current network map, it clearly shows Ratho, Ratho Station, Kirkliston and Queensferry as being in the City West fare zone....
(Which would imply that a single cash fare from Gyle to Ratho/Kirkliston/Queensferry would be £2.70)

It’s still £1.70 single or £4 dayticket If you travel on the 20 or 63 regardless of the fare zones, unless LCB pick up the tender rights which could be possible in the future. It sounds silly that they introduced a fare zone with services that already run through it with city fares, like when the 35 ran out to the Airport untill it became the 300.

If the 20/63 was to run under LCB would residents in Ratho/Kirkliston really cause an uproar with higher fares? If anything it would encourage more folk to buy Ridacards, The £5 dayticket isen’t that bad either though given it’s only an extra £1 but still gives you travel on city buses.

OmniCity999 · 29 Jul 2019

Jordan Adam said:
Seeing further photos of 1125 it looks fantastic. Perhaps @OmniCity999 will know but is the livery paint or vinyl?

Imo the BBC article is somewhat of a non story. During the time like this the talks between Lothian and the unions are going to be ongoing. So the phrase "Fresh new talks" to me is utter nonsense.

the majority of the Madder / Cream is paint, everything else vinyl. You can even see the overspray on some photos.

GusB · 29 Jul 2019

gghdev said:
https://www.donaldstirling.me.uk/Lo...ff/Lothian-overall-adverts-and-li/i-ffmjnnf/A

I’m assuming this special livery is just a one off and that the Lothian Motorcoaches / Airlink font isn’t going to replace the main Lothian logo, but nonetheless, this one bus has two completely different logos on it. My inner need for consistency really struggles with this! It’s messy.

I actually prefer the "new" lettering style as used on the coaches - it's far more stylish than the standard fleetname lettering. Having two different styles in use isn't new, though:
https://flic.kr/p/254wgbk

Lothian_Bus · 30 Jul 2019

Does anyone know what bus 1000 is? Has been showing on service 4 the last two days

Lothian285 · 30 Jul 2019

Lothian_Bus said:
Does anyone know what bus 1000 is? Has been showing on service 4 the last two days

It's one of the ex-London Gemini 2s, there's a photo of it here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bengl...VN-23L6Xh3-Ak1ipw-juegyy-dUcrsF-caGbCs-6Sv1L1

ejstubbs · 30 Jul 2019

TheEastCoaster said:
Good banter at all but honestly if you post something like that online (closed group or not) it is unfortunate you will get bit on the a*se for it, it’s sad the driver got sacked but sadly social media is a curse.

If it was felt that the sacking amounted to unfair dismissal then I would expect that the employee, with support from their union, would have taken the case to an employment tribunal. Did this happen?

SpeedbirdA350 said:
This is why in post 3737 I asked what it is they are wanting out of strike action as often its about pay and they give a list of demands but in this, they have not, so is it to get rid of RH? All top staff? Without that info, it is hard to know what to think.

SpeedbirdA350 said:
This was my original question over the bullying situation though and what the drivers who want strike action actually want from this action as no demands have been issued so is it the upper management as a whole ie those around Hall or is it Hall himself? those who want action have not said what it is they want.

Agree it does seem a bit strange. The union was very vocal about the management culture issues back in February:

The Unite union claimed the company had been “dismissive” over workers’ concerns about bullying and harassment.

It said there had been a breakdown in industrial relations between the company’s management and workforce.

And it warned that unless the issues were addressed immediately members could take strike action which would take buses off the street.

Industrial action was averted when the company and the union reached a deal on how to tackle concerns – but the union claims management are now ignoring the agreement.

Unite regional officer Lyn Turner said: “Unite is keen to work with Lothian buses to avoid a complete breakdown in relations between company management and the workforce, but they must be prepared to enter into genuine and meaningful dialogue. It’s that simple.

“Make no bones about it, unless management at Lothian buses take their side of industrial relations seriously, they will have a dispute on their hands.

"Clearly signing the agreement last year, was a token gesture by Lothian buses’  management in a bid to avoid a strike. We will not be diverted next time around, should it come to that."

but then recommended accepting the latest offer from LB. The union said that the root of the issue was allegations of bullying and harassment, so I would assume that these issues were addressed in the LB offer, as well as the pay rise. But as you say, without knowing what else/more is wanted by those who voted against acceptance it's difficult to understand where the balance of the arguments currently sits.

Could it be that the union doesn't even know what its members (or at least those who voted against accepting the offer) now want? If that's the case then it seems to me that union and management aren't likely to be able to sort this out solely between themselves.

A330Alex · 30 Jul 2019

Latest EEN article talks of plans to draft in LCB/ECB drivers for LB routes. Even if it's not true (EEN after all) I can't imagine the drivers will be too pleased with the potential of strike breaking. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman....brought-to-edinburgh-to-beat-strike-1-4973374

ScotRail158725 · 30 Jul 2019

Lothian_Bus said:
Does anyone know what bus 1000 is? Has been showing on service 4 the last two days

Ex Go-Ahead London WVL387

gghdeo · 30 Jul 2019

GusB said:
I actually prefer the "new" lettering style as used on the coaches - it's far more stylish than the standard fleetname lettering. Having two different styles in use isn't new, though:
https://flic.kr/p/254wgbk

I’m not really liking the new liveries generally — especially Airlink with its retro lines, but for me the multitude of logos is the real killer. It didn’t look any more professional in that old photo. Hopefully they’ll use it purely to differentiate different fleets and we won’t start to see liveries with both logos because it’s a mess.

FlybeDash8Q400 · 30 Jul 2019

48 seems to be doing well when I’ve seen it, frequency increase to every 15 mins seems possible at next changes, Wonder how other alterations are performing?

SpeedbirdA350 · 30 Jul 2019

Lothian285 said:
It's one of the ex-London Gemini 2s, there's a photo of it here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bengl...VN-23L6Xh3-Ak1ipw-juegyy-dUcrsF-caGbCs-6Sv1L1

I think this is single door if I recall correctly?

A330Alex · 30 Jul 2019

Popped past the new 'TravelHub' on Shandwick Place and I must say it's extremely nice. Noticed they also have bike & train icons on the front in addition to bus and tram. Bets on when they launch LothianRail and LothianCycleHire?

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