Butts
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I think Flybe use them to Aberdeen and Edinburgh for the last couple of years.
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I think Flybe use them to Aberdeen and Edinburgh for the last couple of years.
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berneyarms
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The Dash 8 returned to LHR when Flybe took over the former Little Red routes.
scotrail158713
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And the recently added Newquay flights as well
Aictos
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I thought BA picked them up? Shows how wrong I was!
This is all the more interesting now that Flybe has now been bought by a consortium of which Virgin Atlantic is a major stakeholder!
I suspect "new Flybe" will eventually get some A220s but for now Dash 8s are the only aircraft that can fly to both London City and London Heathrow from their Scottish bases so that's what they'll be using on the Heathrow routes.
Crawley Ben
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Virgin Atlantic is suspending the Gatwick to St, Lucia route effective 08th June 2020.
The same airline is also moving the Gatwick to Havana (Cuba) service out of Gatwick to Heathrow (no date info as yet for the latter)
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The same airline is also moving the Gatwick to Havana (Cuba) service out of Gatwick to Heathrow (no date info as yet for the latter)
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Tetchytyke
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And Isle of Man, which BA have abandoned.
scotrail158713
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Oh yeah, forgot about that one. Didn’t know BA used to fly it though.
telstarbox
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Durham Tees Valley has now rebranded back to Teesside International.
telstarbox
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Also I'm not sure if we've had this before, but what is the "busiest day" for one aircraft flying in the UK? Do some of the Easyjet or Ryanair fleet manage 4 round trips i.e. 8 sectors?
scotrail158713
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I think that’s the most - a lot of Flybe planes manage four round trips throughout the day. I certainly can’t find anything that does more than 4(8) a day.
Pretty sure the aircraft operating the Orkney inter-isle flights beat that? (Of course, even the longest sector there is shorter than almost anything any LCC does!)
Easyjet certainly squeeze 4 return trips out of some aircraft each day. Including international trips naturally. For example, there’s early flights out of Luton to Paris and Amsterdam, both under an hour; with turnaround the other end they are back in Luton before 0900. Plenty of time for another 3 trips. Today G-EZWD did Amsterdam twice, Lyon, and is currently just over the Port de Pailhères (a magnificent cycle ride, incidentally) en route to ‘Beefa. Similarly G-EZMK has done Paris, Inverness, Dortmund and is just west of Paris en route Rome.
pitdiver
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I shall have a word with a friend of mine. He's an Engineering Manager with Loganair.
berneyarms
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No need.
Here’s the inter-island schedule which answers the question:
https://www.loganair.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Summer-2019-Timetable.pdf
Jozhua
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Hi all! Thought I'd ask your thoughts on this article concerning Ryanair job cuts:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49178670
I think this is related partially to the 737 Max crisis, Brexit and a difficult time for the industry in general. Whilst I don't think anyone specifically made the decision to reduce safety to lower operating costs, market pressures and a lack of regulatory oversight from the US's FAA and other agencies which simply rely on them definitely seemed to have caused this. Could these problems end up leading to a reduction in the cheap, plentiful air fares we have become used to? In a world where climate change is ever looming it might not be a bad thing, although there doesn't seem to be many other cheap options for travelling internationally, especially from the UK...
Look forward to your responses!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49178670
I think this is related partially to the 737 Max crisis, Brexit and a difficult time for the industry in general. Whilst I don't think anyone specifically made the decision to reduce safety to lower operating costs, market pressures and a lack of regulatory oversight from the US's FAA and other agencies which simply rely on them definitely seemed to have caused this. Could these problems end up leading to a reduction in the cheap, plentiful air fares we have become used to? In a world where climate change is ever looming it might not be a bad thing, although there doesn't seem to be many other cheap options for travelling internationally, especially from the UK...
Look forward to your responses!
Personally, I think it is at long last Mr O’Leary reaping what he sowed with his less than friendly customer service policy and the pilot strike. It is of note that Easyjet and Wizz (FR’s main competitors) don’t appear to be making similar redundancies. The 737Max issue is undoubtedly a factor, But I suspect that’s a convenient smokescreen for more underlying issues. Brexit will hit FR harder than most.
But the era of cheap air travel is far from over.
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Fair enough! Whilst I haven't personally had any issues with Ryanair that have stuck out to me over other airlines, they definitely don't give off a 'consumer friendly' vibe, although people often don't read the policies properly, especially in regards to luggage.
Easyjet and Wizz seem to be doing well, although it's definitely a challenging climate for all airlines. The more airlines that go under, I guess the less competition and higher fares, so I guess the market will balance itself out.
I'd probably guess the move is to reduce staffing numbers a bit lower than perhaps what they'd need to cut the excess, to save more. It does seem strange however, in a time where pilots are more in demand than ever, definitely doesn't seem good strategy long term.
But is that a single aircraft doing each day? Loganair have two Islanders, so it could still be split across multiple aircraft per day. That said, obviously it'll be more than eight sectors each.
Tetchytyke
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Easyjet and WizzAir have Airbus fleets, not Boeing, to be fair. But I'd agree that it's a smokescreen, FR own their kit so the delays shouldn't affect them really. They could just carry on with the existing 737s, surely?
I do wonder how much of it is O'Leary putting his recently-unionised workforce firmly back in their box? I imagine quite a lot. Having your workforce scrapping amongst themselves for their jobs tends to keep industrial unrest down.
It would be interesting to see what happens if he went for voluntary redundancy! But I don’t suppose he’s the sort of person who will go for that.
Techniquest
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Certainly quite a significant amount of jobs to be going at Ryanair! 
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Gotta say that I'm glad I stopped flying with the airline back in March, and that I didn't get that job after all last year!
hock:Gotta say that I'm glad I stopped flying with the airline back in March, and that I didn't get that job after all last year!
Find it interesting that mostly Scottish airports are named by O'Leary in his statement. Ryanair has quite a big operation in Edinburgh and a lot of routes appealing to inbound tourists (who may benefit from a falling pound) so I would have thought it would be a safer bet for them.
Tetchytyke
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He was talking about the domestic routes I think. And I can imagine that the Brexit Recession will clobber domestic air travel.
BA have taken delivery of their first A350, and it’s currently at Heathrow, presumably being commissioned for service. Word on the street is that it will start on a Madrid rotation on Monday, BA464/5, before moving on to long haul on the Dubai rotation from Sept 2nd.
Virgin have not had any A350s delivered yet, despite their first three all being earlier on the production line than BAs (the first one was 52 slots ahead!) Virgin’s first 4 have all been built, all have had their first flight, and they are due in service on Sept 10th to JFK.
Virgin have not had any A350s delivered yet, despite their first three all being earlier on the production line than BAs (the first one was 52 slots ahead!) Virgin’s first 4 have all been built, all have had their first flight, and they are due in service on Sept 10th to JFK.
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Crawley Ben
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Jazeera Airways launching daily flights between Kuwait & Gatwick from 27th October 2019.
The flight will be operated by Airbus A320NEO aircraft.
Flight time from the UK scheduled for 6 hours & 20 mins. Return scheduled for 7 hours & 5 mins.
Cheers
Ben
The flight will be operated by Airbus A320NEO aircraft.
Flight time from the UK scheduled for 6 hours & 20 mins. Return scheduled for 7 hours & 5 mins.
Cheers
Ben
Shaw S Hunter
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Apologies for the late reply, have been away from the forum for a while.
In one of the Heathrow fly-on-the-wall shows there was very clear footage of a car being loaded into the cargo belly of an airliner. This was a very valuable vintage vehicle, possibly a Bugatti, which had been purchased at auction by an American and was being shipped to the US. The car was carefully packaged in a bespoke container which was loaded aboard an American Airlines B-777 bound for Dallas. I guess if the price is right it's totally doable.
Some of the Ryanair Edinburgh to Stansted flights were being sold at a loss once Air Passenger Duty [£13] and airport charges were taken into account. This included tickets close to the time of departure. For a short trip it was easy to avoid paying for a bag and window or aisle seat for free.
Tetchytyke
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That sounds grim!
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