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London Euston Dispatch?

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hstmatt

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Hi all,
Just a quick one! Whats the dispatch procedure at London Euston?
I only ask, as I've noticed they use the 'CD' indicator, even on trains operating with guards/train managers. Once they have used the 'CD', they change it to 'RA' and the driver takes power.
I am familiar with 'RA' working, but I've never came across CD RA on a non DOO train.

Cheers!
Matt
 
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hstmatt said:
Hi all,
Just a quick one! Whats the dispatch procedure at London Euston?
I only ask, as I've noticed they use the 'CD' indicator, even on trains operating with guards/train managers. Once they have used the 'CD', they change it to 'RA' and the driver takes power.
I am familiar with 'RA' working, but I've never came across CD RA on a non DOO train.

Cheers!
Matt
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From what I see,

Dispatch procedure beings when the TRTS (Train Ready To Start) in pressed, on the platform (by platform staff).
When the start signal is given (by signaller), the CD (Close Doors) is given to LNR / LO services telling Driver / guard to commence door closing tasks.
When the door illuminators are observed to be extinguished, the RA (Right Away) is given, by the platform staff (Dispatcher), enabling the commencement of the Right Away procedures culbinating in the train departing.


I believe the Guard / Train Manager on Virgin closes the doors - without the use of the CD indicators.

EDIT: in bold italics to reflect the knowledge shared below.
 
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800002 said:
From what I see,

Dispatch procedure beings when the TRTS (Train Ready To Start) in pressed, on the platform (by platform staff).
When the start signal is given (by signaller), the CD (Close Doors) is given telling Driver / guard to commence door closing tasks.
When the door illuminators are observed to be extinguished, the RA (Right Away) is given, by the platform staff, giving authority for the driver to go.

I believe the Guard / Train Manager on Virgin closes the doors - with the CD indicators merely a FYI for the driver.
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They close them on Pendolinos, but Voyagers is worked by 10bell dispatch, whereby the guard instructs the driver to close the doors. The guard then closes local door and gives the RA.
The CD simply removes the need to send the buzzer code to the driver to close the doors
 
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800002 said:
From what I see,

Dispatch procedure beings when the TRTS (Train Ready To Start) in pressed, on the platform (by platform staff).
When the start signal is given (by signaller), the CD (Close Doors) is given telling Driver / guard to commence door closing tasks.
When the door illuminators are observed to be extinguished, the RA (Right Away) is given, by the platform staff, giving authority for the driver to go.

I believe the Guard / Train Manager on Virgin closes the doors - with the CD indicators merely a FYI for the driver.
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To be pedantic, the 'door illuminators' do not indicate it is safe to RA the train. There could still be someone or something trapped in the doors. All the external hazard lights indicate when extinguished is that interlock has been obtained, or one of the lights isn't working. They do not indicate that it is safe for the train to depart
 
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Surreytraveller said:
To be pedantic, the 'door illuminators' do not indicate it is safe to RA the train. There could still be someone or something trapped in the doors. All the external hazard lights indicate when extinguished is that interlock has been obtained, or one of the lights isn't working. They do not indicate that it is safe for the train to depart
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Yes, I did omit the similar step to CD - door closing tasks. My oversight.
RA to commense Right Away procedures culbinating in getting off the platform.
 
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tiptoptaff said:
They close them on Pendolinos, but Voyagers is worked by 10bell dispatch, whereby the guard instructs the driver to close the doors. The guard then closes local door and gives the RA.
The CD simply removes the need to send the buzzer code to the driver to close the doors
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I don't travel on Voyagers or go near them! Haha
Thanks for that info.

Is that the same operational procedure with Cross Country, do you know?
 
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All part of the 'Train Safety Check' procedure during dispatch procedure - module 3.5 (dispatching a train with power operated doors with a guard from a staffed platform) of the rule book applies.

There will be a variation dependent on TOC and traction type.
 
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nuts & bolts said:
All part of the 'Train Safety Check' procedure during dispatch procedure - module 3.5 (dispatching a train with power operated doors with a guard from a staffed platform) of the rule book applies.

There will be a variation dependent on TOC and traction type.
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Euston - From a guard / SC / C 's perspective...

Tip 1, CD appears - Hand up (1) shut doors
Tip 2, CD still showing - Hand up (2) shut local door
Turn key off to ensure any hazard lights are off
Green flag out of window
Platform staff give RA to driver

- Acknowledge only the main dispatcher by the TRTS box, not any secondary staff assisting them with longer trains and sighting.
 
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Let’s just clear this up. VT do NOT use the CD function at Euston. (LNR and LO do) Our dispatch is as follows on a 221. TM gives us 1-2 to close the doors. RA is used to give us the Ready to Start as it is mandatory at Euston for all trains. (Also applies at Man Picc and B’ham New St) All other stations use 2 on bell/buzzer to give ready to start.

On a 390. TM closes doors and we get the RA indicator to give us the Ready to Start, as is the case at most but not all other stations enroute. (Some exceptions at places like Tamworth using 2 on bell/buzzer)

The procedure of working 221s was something we inherited from XC when the Holyhead work transferred to being worked by WC drivers.
 
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185 said:
Euston - From a train manager / guard / SC / C 's perspective...

Tip 1, CD appears - Hand up (1) shut doors
Tip 2, CD still showing - Hand up (2) shut local door
Turn key off to ensure any hazard lights are off
Green flag out of window
Platform staff give RA to driver

- Acknowledge only the main dispatcher by the TRTS box, not any secondary staff assisting them with longer trains and sighting.
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PudseyBearHST said:
VTWC trains do not get the CD
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@185 is possibly quoting the LNR procedure of dispatch?
Green Flag out the window (drop light 350 or 319?):)
 
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nuts & bolts said:
@185 is possibly quoting the LNR procedure of dispatch?
Green Flag out the window (drop light 350 or 319?):)
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I was using my phone hence for the short reply and forgetting to quote post. I wasn’t referring to 185. There was a post above saying VTWC get the CD which is incorrect- DriverM has explained the dispatch process in more detail.
800002 has edited his/her post to reflect this.
 
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driver_m said:
RA is used to give us the Ready to Start as it is mandatory at Euston for all trains. (Also applies at Man Picc and B’ham New St) All other stations use 2 on bell/buzzer to give ready to start.
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Do they give the RA at Wolverhampton as a must now?
 
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A few 221 go of ra when doing class 5 workings and as well as slam door stock. Except for that don’t think there any others
 
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