SpeedbirdA350
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Exactly.
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fgwrich
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Adding the link would probably help.
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/bus-roof-ripped-after-smashing-16668173
Ah, thanks @Speedbird. I wonder if it’ll be replaced with another ex London vehicle or will remain with the Lothian fleet now.
TheGrandWazoo
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Think that's a bit of a stretch. Sadly, we see a number of these types of incidents every year across the UK - First Kernow are gaining a couple of Volvos as open toppers having been deroofed in Yorkshire. Clearly, these are mainly a consequence of driver error (not suggesting so in this instance), associated with unfamiliar routes and not of poor training.
Comment on this incident and any correlation to alleged driving standards is probably not compatible with the site rules
SpeedbirdA350
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I don't think they will be buying another ex london bus to just replace this one but they might add one in another order at a later date. It's not like Lothian have ran out of buses at any depot.It also depends on how long this will be in for repair and if they can source a new roof etc..
Driver was charged in this incident ,so...Think that's a bit of a stretch. Sadly, we see a number of these types of incidents every year across the UK - First Kernow are gaining a couple of Volvos as open toppers having been deroofed in Yorkshire. Clearly, these are mainly a consequence of driver error (not suggesting so in this instance), associated with unfamiliar routes and not of poor training.
Comment on this incident and any correlation to alleged driving standards is probably not compatible with the site rules
Jordan Adam
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On a lighter note the advert on the side does say "Save 50%"!
VioletEclipse
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A forewarning that no one saw
Also I'm sure they all have dashboard stickers warning the drivers about exactly that bridge...
TheGrandWazoo
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So what? A presumption of guilt? A reflection on LCB driving standards in general?
It’s very unfortunate and thankfully no one has been injured but I was arguing against wider implications on LCB.
Driver362
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On the subject of accidents, just the day before in Fauldhouse a first bus hit LC bus o/s to o/s breaking the cab 1/4 window (the small one next to cab window) and caused significant accident damage up the o/s of I think 1042. Or hitting the scaffolding at Pumpherston?? So before crowing about spacial awareness etc have a look into that one. What I find baffling is regardless of who's fault etc why on admittadly other social media outlets people can comment with a lol or smiling face emoticon etc for the grace of god no o ne was hurt regardless of operator!!. (await the bias card shortly)
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That’s fair. I have said I was going by personal experience only. There have been a few drivers at First which I have complained about over the last couple of years who were brought back in for extra training as a result so I’m not saying they are perfect. I was just saying from my experience both as a passenger and car driver in the area.
Driver362
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Exactly! We're not all the same in both Co's I take pride in my driving and resent broad generalisations of I've seen so and so do this etc so the must all be s***. It's not the case. However I think the facts speak for the self's in this case. When and if I get pulled by our driving standards manager, then I'll worry!!
Jordan Adam
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Today was a good example of the "fanboy" in action, i won't name names but there was a certain "Lothian Fanboy" spamming every post of the Gemini that go deroofed demanding them to take it down. Obviously it's only a small minority of enthusiasts that are like this, but it's part of the reason as to why "Lothian enthusiasts" in particular are sometimes viewed less favourably and often seen as "snobs", likewise there's a flickr user who again i won't name but they literally refuse to name, photo or mention any bus that isn't operated by Lothian and will even go as far as to use terms such as "a n other bus operator". Shame as there's some great people with vast knowledge in the Edinburgh area, but a small group ruin it.
In my opinion provided no one was seriously hurt there's no issue at all posting photos of or discussing damaged vehicles, although if there was a fatality then i think you have to be much more careful. That being said even then the photos get all over media anyway.
I think the point we can all agree on here is that "accidents" happen, all companies have good and bad drivers and it's simply wrong to claim one is better than another when it comes to driving as this cannot be proven. My grandfather has been in the industry 40+ years and never had an accident even now he still does 3 days a week with a clean sheet. One bus has an accident and then suddenly 'all bus driver don't know how to drive'. I think bus drivers get unfairly generalised and criticised in the media, especially on the likes of Facebook.
I have apologised. I was not accusing all drivers. I wasn’t saying my experience of buses pulling out on me from stops and roundabouts without looking and also blocking the roads regularly.
I did complain several times in the past about drivers on Lothian when I used to drive in Edinburgh but I never got responses.
I apologise, I don’t want this to get personal.
I did complain several times in the past about drivers on Lothian when I used to drive in Edinburgh but I never got responses.
I apologise, I don’t want this to get personal.
Define a near miss? Give us an example?
A bus clipping a car mirror is an accident. A bus ploughing into the front of a shop is also an accident(unless in both cases it's done deliberatly). Pretty sure it also says in the highway code that if a bus is pulling out of a stop that cars should give way...
There is a big difference between smashing a window and taking the roof off your double deck bus
I know exactly who you mean! It actually made me laugh out loud when I'd discovered that the Geminis Lothian had purchased were new to as they say "a n other operator". The fanboys must have sh*t kittens when they found out!
Driver362
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The reason I say another Co is so it doesn't look like I'm beating down on first or whoever. There is no snobbery on my part in doing so (and I'm not saying you are accusing me either). I must confess I would rather there was a busses and there bits section on here as that's more my cup of tea. However there is vast knowlage and enthusiasm on here I just I'm not that into getting into the anals of our industry. Oily bits interest me more. To be honest the tit for tat nonsense is getting boring.
It’s also quite likely that a big city operator would have more ‘accidents’ as there are more things to crash into, or more people to crash into you.
These threads are quite funny, up to now everyone has been on the side of the Lothian drivers with the whole bullying issue, now apparently they are all terrible drivers crashing all the time. Make your mind up.
Pretty sure ive seen deckers on the x17
Jordan Adam
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Agree, should clarify i wasn't aiming that at you in any way! I understood from the wording in your post that you were referring to all 'co'mpanies. Out of anything i was in agreement with you.
Exactly! As i say such a comparison is just not fair or can be justified in any way.
I think the majority of people on here (myself included) are on side with the drivers here.
SpeedbirdA350
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You're right, I don't know where my brain was!
SpeedbirdA350
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No, not at all, I think Lothian drivers are some of the best in the country. I was mearly saying it as you had said "these are mainly a consequence of driver error (not suggesting so in this instance),". I was pointing towards the charge re your brackets comment.
I will never understand why fanboys exist. Apple v Android. Lothian v First. Google v Bing. Apple v Banana. I don't understand it. For most who don't work in the company, we are passangers. We are the ones who pay money to them to take us from A to B. Same with fanboys of apple or android systems, money goes to a corporation and gets swallowed by them and you get a product out of it.
I don't know the flicr user you're talking about but it's sad that some folk have a dislike (hatrid is too hard a word to use) over one company vs another.
You're correct when you say accidents happen, just how they happen and the reasons behind why they happened is what matters more. There is often a chain of reasons to why something goes wrong.
Ha i thought i as dreaming .
Jordan Adam
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Indeed, i would say in those cases it is a "hatred". As i say, i won't name who the people i'm reference are, if you know who i'm on about then you know who i'm on about, if you don't then you don't. But it does come across as rather petty and sad. That people go out their way to belittle others that have done nothing wrong. It's made even better when all their posts are shouting praise of a certain company while criticising every other!
Totally agree about your last point.
cnjb8
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Do you think they could use the bus for open top services like First Kernow did with First Yorkshires deroofed buses?
FlybeDash8Q400
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Considering 5 sister vehicles are partly running the City Sighsteeing I wouldn’t rule out a conversion, Still have the problem with the roof though
But isn't it the same with different buses, the onus is usually on the driver to know the length, height etc of your vehicle, but for instance should a bus company get a different make, model of bus and the rear overhang is slightly more than what you are used to are you taken out with a trainer first or are you just left to get on with it?
If that overhang was misjudged and caused damage to something/someone the driver would be to blame obviously but would a part lie with the company for insufficient training (I know in this case such a thing as driving a double decker under a low bridge that I would assume any double decker would have trouble getting under it is totally a different situation).
If that overhang was misjudged and caused damage to something/someone the driver would be to blame obviously but would a part lie with the company for insufficient training (I know in this case such a thing as driving a double decker under a low bridge that I would assume any double decker would have trouble getting under it is totally a different situation).
SpeedbirdA350
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Depends if the body is okay as some pictures show it twisted.
In this case the driver missed their turn (directly before the bridge) so fatigue/loss of concentration and so on would perhaps be the cause here as opposed to poor training.
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