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ATW/Keolis Amey Wales stock shortages
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tomwills98
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Forgive me if I've missed something, when was this? I know it's hit the fan in terms of disruption recently but this one must have flown over me.
PHILIPE
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It was across in the Sidings yesterday, 150254
tomwills98
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Well that completely missed me. It was rerailed by half 9 but isn't in service today
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Mrs. Fortescue
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I was on 175116 (I think) the other day, which had an end engine out. Was 25 mins late into Cardiff and got pulled at Shrewsbury.
Andy Pacer
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I cant seem to find the original post for this, which were the other 153's that moved from GWR along with 153333?
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153325, 329, 361 and 369
Andy Pacer
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Excellent thanks for the quick reply
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are 325 and 323 both still in works...? not heard of either having come out yet, although they are the first ever PRM modified 153s nationally, right...?
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They are according to the same poster asking on TOPS Request Thread also. 325 has been at Long Marston for some considerable time now but in these cases we usually have to wait until they actually come or pathed to come out before we know when.
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understandable though, TfW's PRM modified 153s are the first such units so the other 11 should be much quicker jobs huh
anthony263
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142016 142021 142022 142025 and 142066 are due to be withdrawn by northern from 12th August according to the pacer group on Facebook. If the rumour about tfw taking onpacers from northern perhaps it might be these examples.
Any idea on the general condition of these units?
Any idea on the general condition of these units?
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They're Pacers. Their condition was terrible when they were first built!
Anti Pacer brigade again eh?
Not a helpful reply.
I am going down to Cardiff in 4 weeks
and hope these go south for further use.
Ha,reminds me when the North Western Trains Pacers went to Cardiff and seeing them in their different liveries down there.
PHILIPE
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Stories about Northern 14x going to TFW have been circulating for months now. At no time have TFW ever said anything definite about them.
How many 150s are in for PRM mods at any one time? If TfW were to take on many extra Pacers (other than a small number to cover for PRM work on 150s) then they would be needing more PRM compliant stock lined up to take over to avoid a drop in capacity when the Pacers go. As it is, 12x 170 + 5x 153 is only 17 incoming units to replace 30 Pacers. The 230s and 769s will help if they ever turn up, but would struggle to be enough to replace more than 30 pacers.
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and 012/013/014/030/033 are also due to be withdrawn from Northern, 1-2 days sooner
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175106 running to Maesteg with the middle engine out.
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Whilst I get the arguments that if TfW take on some extra Pacers, what will happen come January when they have to be withdrawn resulting in a big drop in capacity etc, it's really not good on the Valleys at peak times at the moment. I'm often stood on Cathays down platform between 4 - 6pm and it's not at all uncommon to see a single Pacer turn up for a Valleys up service already full and standing, just from picking up at Cardiff Central and Queen St. Lots of people are often left behind. That's the situation now. What happens when the leaves start falling?
Are all of TfW's 150s fitted with wheel slip protection yet as promised?
I can't imagine anyone at TfW wants to risk a repeat of last Autumn's disaster. With 150s still needing to go away for mods for the next few months, no 769s, no 230s, and inevitably trains OOU for wheel flats, TfW will be mad not to take on whatever they can beg, borrow or steal to get through Autumn.
Are all of TfW's 150s fitted with wheel slip protection yet as promised?
I can't imagine anyone at TfW wants to risk a repeat of last Autumn's disaster. With 150s still needing to go away for mods for the next few months, no 769s, no 230s, and inevitably trains OOU for wheel flats, TfW will be mad not to take on whatever they can beg, borrow or steal to get through Autumn.
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Tomos y Tanc
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I totally agree with that. TfW have a tough few years ahead of them before the new rolling stock starts to arrive. The Welsh public needs to feel that they're doing everything possible to maintain and improve the service in the interim. If they don't, they'll quickly loose the goodwill their promised improvements has brought them.
Having said that, I had to travel up to Aberdare today and found the trains immaculately clean and spotted a number of, mainly cosmetic, station improvements. Those kind of things do help generate goodwill amongst passengers. Needless to say, the staff were, as always, incredibly friendly and helpful. They really always have been ATW/TfW's biggest asset!
In some ways it makes sense, but the question is how long will it take to get them, and get them in to service. By the time they get them up and running in service, the 170's won't be far behind and hopefully the 769 issues will be resolved and 230's will start service. The Cl37's appear to be a last resort and haven't been without issue, but the works been put in while there were few others options. Even if they can be taken on soon, no doubt there will need to be some kind of maintenance checks/introduction to service, so at least another month. That means they are only really useful for less than 3 months
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Yes there would need to be various checks carried out on any ex-Northern Pacers but I assume no driver training would be needed. They wouldn't be staying long term so apart from de-branding and a deep clean just get them out into service.
The 37s are a last resort but driver training has been going on since April on those and it's still not finished.
Driver training on 769s hasn't even started yet. There's one 769 that I see sat in the same place in Canton depot shed every time I pass it on the train. If it's taken almost 4 months just to train enough Rhymney drivers to run two 37 services a day, I'm not hopeful we'll see the 769s or any other cascaded units in service with TfW before December.
I drove a 150 2 days ago with WSP fitted. That’s the first one I’ve seen and I’ve not seen one since. I’ve driven plenty of PRM modded 150’s but that was the first with WSP fitted. Take from that what ya will.
The issues last year with wheel flats were nothing to do with WSP though. I will argue this with anyone that wants to waste their time with me. I don’t want to say the reason as it’s ridiculous, but I shall say it coincided with TfW taking over from Arriva.
It’s good that it’s being fitted and it’ll make a hell of a difference when pulling away from certain stations.
Good point. On that basis I can now understand why you might want to have extra Pacers on hand, but the key thing I think is not to increase the number of diagrams required to work the service. So, more Pacers but only as spares in case of unit shortages or class 37 breakdowns (in which case a 4-car Pacer as a minimum should be sent out to cover for the LHCS if not 2x 150 with Pacers covering 150 diagrams to allow that). Next autumn might not be as big a problem assuming the 170s and 769s are fitted with WSP and the 150s/153s are all WSP fitted by then. Shame the 3-car class 144s aren't the ones coming available as they're presumably a similar capacity to a 150 and would be a better stand-in for a 150 than a 2-car Pacer, although they might not be similar enough to 143s to avoid staff retraining.
krus_aragon
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The 170s will still be in East Anglia this autumn; they're only coming in December.
PHILIPE
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This speculation about units from Northern has been going on for a time now and equally, Northern might claim they require them also due to many short form trains or just in case xxxxxxxxx happens. They are being withdrawn from Northern as more CAFs come into play and when they are withdrawn they will be withdrawn and not available for transfer elsewhere. If I'm proved wrong I'll eat my words.
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Surely they'll be delivered early (October supposedly) like the 153s on the 1st of April for service in mid-May...? The 153s were delivered as a single 5-car train, a GWR service from Exeter TMD to Cardiff Canton Sidings (GWR driver and TfW second man I think), so I'm guessing the 170s will be delivered similarly (GA service from Norwich Crown Point TMD to Cardiff Canton Sidings, GA driver and TfW second man) but in say four three-unit formations. Please can anyone who finds out about any of the 170 delivery runs let me know!
PHILIPE
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Why second man ? I doubt a GA driver would deliver the 170s more likely ROG or Freight Company as selected by the ROSCO. During transfers they are the responsibility of the ROSCO to move them as they are in between TOCs.
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From what I have read on Twitter the 142's on Northern are knackered and life expired. Better bet are the 144's including the DDA one.
Anyone have any updates on the 769's or 230's? Someone on Facebook reckons the 769's are driving training - think he may have got that wrong.
Anyone have any updates on the 769's or 230's? Someone on Facebook reckons the 769's are driving training - think he may have got that wrong.
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