cactustwirly
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8 car, as 12s are limited to 100mph.
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8 car, as 12s are limited to 100mph.
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cactustwirly
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If that's the case, it looks like a complete disaster!
That Carmarthen service is terrible! Why knock stops out from Reading and Swindon, reducing connectivity!
Plus that looks like a decrease in the services that serve Reading in the peak, so actually increasing overcrowding.
Possibly not valid for off-peak tickets then?
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The extra Paddington to Bristol services may not have Access Rights yet.
Also I expect there should be an xx55 Paddington to Heathrow Express service.
So, in your world, making a direct Paddington-Carmarthen journey a full half hour faster than today (and allowing an hour later departure from Paddington), less crowded by 'local' passengers is a "disaster"?
Reading and Swindon passengers have a simple same platform off-and-on change at Bristol Parkway.
And Reading/Didcot demand will be mopped up much better by 12-car EMUs, not ling distance services.
Strikes me as being quite well thought through...
cactustwirly
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So where are your magical 12 car 387s going to run.
Yes the Carmarthen service is going to be empty, because Reading and Swindon have quite a lot of demand.
Plus there'll be reduced capacity on services that do serve Reading and Swindon
You're quite right, apologies for missing the xx55 off - I've gone back and added it in now.
I was going to say: Perhaps the additional Pad - Bristol TM (via Parkway) first stop parkway will take those people off the reading / didcot stopper. -- note these don't actually run in the peak between 1545 and 1915 (exclusive).
But there are 14 services between 1628 and 1830 (inclusive) Reading / Didcot (including the three Maidenhead / tyford stoppers). Although the 3 cheltenham are first stop didcot. NOTE: 20 pad-rdg including WofE / B+H.
There are 13 currently, including the three Mai / Twy stoppers. Although 1 the 2 cheltenham is first stop didcot. NOTE 25 pad-rdg including WofE / B+H.
Dec 19: Reading: 11 (3 stoppers) | Didcot: 14 (3 stoppers)
Now: Reading: 12 (3 stoppers) | Didcot: 13 (3 stoppers)
Swindon has 11 services between 1628 and 1830 in Dec 19, which is identical to today's 11 services between 1630 and 1830.
I use 1628 for Dec 19 as the current 1G56 1636 Cheltenham becomes the 1628 1G23 1628 to Cheltenham (but now first stop didcot).
The above does not include the Cross Rail or the Reading 'all stoppers' (1R's)
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Sorry with all the questions but how come 12-car 387's are limited to 100mph?
Either way, the 3 mentioned in the p.m peaks from London Paddington should hopefully free up capacity from the IET's as far as Didcot!
Pantograph uplift force. There is some testing planned over the coming weeks to see first-hand whether the OHLE (both new and old) is up to a more intensive usage regime.
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The 'Superfast' Bristol services at xx15/xx45 will be introduced during 2020 once the timetable has bedded in.
The ones referred to in Post 145...
Regards the one platform HEX usage from Dec 19: found the below in the NR representation letter for GWRs latest track access proposal (8 July).
Heathrow Express Limited agreed with the Department of Transport and Great Western Railway to reduce its use of platforms at London Paddington from two to one for 12 months from PCD 2019, reverting back to two platforms from PCD 2020 during all operational hours as per Heathrow Express Limited's Track Access Agreement dated 1993. In view of this, Network Rail may be unable to accommodate Heathrow Express services and the rights sought by Great Western and MTR Crossrail at London Paddington and does not support the sale of rights in the following service group: EF06 -Inner London
Heathrow Express Limited agreed with the Department of Transport and Great Western Railway to reduce its use of platforms at London Paddington from two to one for 12 months from PCD 2019, reverting back to two platforms from PCD 2020 during all operational hours as per Heathrow Express Limited's Track Access Agreement dated 1993. In view of this, Network Rail may be unable to accommodate Heathrow Express services and the rights sought by Great Western and MTR Crossrail at London Paddington and does not support the sale of rights in the following service group: EF06 -Inner London
I see that they are in the Draft Agrement, in response to GWRs 39th amendment proposal dated 1 July 2019. The draft agreement (39th supplemental agreement) being on the ORR website.
I think this equals the necessary access rights (obviously to be confirmed by the ORR as part of the access request was for Reading / Gatwick which can't be accommodated currently).
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I noticed there are some hidden in the timetable. The 14:45 Paddington to Weston Super Mare arriving at 16:41. First stop is Bristol Parkway. It replaces the current 14:30 which goes via Bath and arrives at 16:50. There is another at 15:45 arriving in Weston at 17:44.
Edit: I see there is a 15:15 to Bristol Temple Meads only stops at Bristol Parkway.
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Yes - 1C18 the current 1430 Weston S-M terminates at Bristol TM (still via bath) in the new timetable - but departing 1432.
The 1445 1H31 Weston S-M fast via Parkway gets to Weston 9 minutes earlier than the current 1C18.
The 1H31 is one of the only 1H parkway fasts which is not showing as 'Unadvertised Express'
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Nice of them to re-time the 07.46 service from Gloucester to 08.13.This will now arrive at Stroud too late for the schoolchildren and several workers to be on time.
Over to the 07.30 bus.
Over to the 07.30 bus.
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I noticed they they have swapped the trains going from Paddington toward Worcester and Malvern with those stopping at Oxford. It can't make it easy for those who will now have to wait an extra half hour or leave half an hour earlier to get a service that runs 1tph.
One thing I've noticed is the new two-hourly Exeter services do not stop at Frome and Bruton. As the raison-d-etre of these services is presumably to give a regular London service to the smaller towns in Wiltshire and Somerset, allowing the Plymouth/Penzance services to run faster, I'm surprised they haven't taken the opportunity to do this.
Also one of the Newbury-Paddington locals waits 8 minutes at Reading on the up journey (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y94396/2020/01/15/advanced). Reading is the only stop between Newbury and London so this very long wait somewhat detracts from what could have been an 'express'; the perils of perhaps trying to fit too many services into the timetable!
Also one of the Newbury-Paddington locals waits 8 minutes at Reading on the up journey (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y94396/2020/01/15/advanced). Reading is the only stop between Newbury and London so this very long wait somewhat detracts from what could have been an 'express'; the perils of perhaps trying to fit too many services into the timetable!
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Surly the amount of passengers that would use the service from Bruton would not be worth slowing the service down for? Also to go to Frome as it is on a loop off the main line it would add quite a bit of time on to the services, as long as the connections are not to bad at Westbury I think it is far better to run non stop Westbury-Castle Cary.
Are there still peak services to Frome? as if thereis to be a direct London to Frome service to Frome then this is the best option.
Not all that many Plymouth/Penzance services stop between Reading and Taunton as it is.
Though by not stopping at Frome etc. (Which aren't exactly busy stations), it makes it faster to Taunton/Tiverton/Exeter, and thus more effective at taking passengers to these places off the Penzances.
Looks like it has to get past Southcote Jn before a Basingstoke-Reading stopper (itself cannot go first as it is already tight behind a Newcastle XC from Basingstoke and the stopper additionally now with an extra Reading Green Park stop), but then be *after* both a Swansea-Padders, and a HEx merging at Airport Jn.
Again, more trains, weaved together in the timetable means the 'wrinkle in the carpet' must come out somewhere.
Frome has 1tpd (peak extension of a Bedwyn) from what I've seen.
It seems like this new semifast service is more about speeding up the Plymouths by not needing them to stop between Reading and Taunton than serving lesser destinations in that corridor better.
It seems like this new semifast service is more about speeding up the Plymouths by not needing them to stop between Reading and Taunton than serving lesser destinations in that corridor better.
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Yes it does. Here is one such example to highlight that point. The existing Westbury calls on long distance services are mainly to provide connections between the south west and the south coast. The current 16:23 departure from Westbury for stations to Penzance being a particularly well patronised example. There is currently a 15 minute connection out of the 14:23 service from Portsmouth. From the new timetable, Westbury will instead be served at that time of day by a 15:58 service, which is advertised as going to Plymouth buts gets overtaken at Taunton by the following Penzance service. Unless you are specifically going to Ivybridge, the stopping service is surplus after Taunton. If you are coming from the south coast, you now have to leave an hour earlier and endure a 50 minute wait at Westbury. Passengers travelling from the south coast to Exeter can get there half an hour sooner by changing at Salisbury onto the stopping SWR service via Honiton.
Connections from the west into services to the south coast appear reasonable though, albeit with an extra change required if coming from the far south west.
What about the people who currently wait half an hour every day who now won't have to wait as long?
One person's loss is often another's gain.
Frome currently has 1tpd to Paddington, and 2tpd from Paddington, but it will lose the 1707 from Paddington with the new timetable.
I definitely agree with the sentiment that the new timetable takes a f you attitude to the stations between Reading and Taunton, and making it take even longer than it already does to get from the South Coast to the South West will likely lose many passengers.
that wasn't my sentiment - my sentiment was that the semi-fast wasn't done to make life better for users of those stations - not that it was done as an insult to them that makes things worse.
That was my sentiment anyway, that with all of the improvements to other services, the Berks and Hants (and places that would connect at Westbury/Castle Cary) gets nothing, if not a worse service due to the lack of much beyond Newton Abbot.
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Useful find thanks, are these the only known non-stop services to date?
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To answer my own question, just analysed the early morning schedule for the direct services from BPW to PADD:
Direct Services:
BPW: 0657 - 0702 PADD: 0814
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y94409/2019/12/18/advanced
BPW: 0757 - 0801 PADD: 0914
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y94412/2019/12/18/advanced
BPW: 0901 - 0903 PADD: 1015
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y94327/2019/12/18/advanced
BPW: 0929 - 0933 - PADD: 1044
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y94329/2019/12/18/advanced
BPW: 1001 - 1003, PADD: 1114
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y94331/2019/12/18/advanced
BPW: 1031 - 1033, PADD: 1133
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y94333/2019/12/18/advanced
Except that at the busiest times of the day - in the morning towards Oxford and London, and back the other way mid to late afternoon - the service is more like half-hourly (it's a bit more random than that in the morning, with 20-minute or 45-minute intervals at times), same as is the case now.
In the other direction, the current 16.22 Paddington to Malvern is replaced with an Oxford terminator connecting with a Didcot to Moreton-in-Marsh all stations Turbo stopper, but this is in the middle of a long sequence of through departures to Worcester or beyond that are near enough half-hourly from 14.50 to 17.58.
And the current big gap out of Worcester Shrub Hill towards Oxford between 16.07 and 17.33, then another gap until 18.50, is replaced with departures at 16.14, 16.51, 17.49 and 18.02, though there is then a gap to 19.21.
Some people may have to adjust their habits outside the peaks, but as the bulk of them are less likely to be making time-sensitive journeys, I can't see it being a major issue (except perhaps the question of the sketchy late afternoon/early evening direct services from Reading to stations west of Oxford shown on realtimetrains at the moment) and the evening xx.50 sequence is extended an hour later, with a new 22.50 to Worcestershire Parkway (though it then runs empty stock direct to the Shrub Hill sidings... I suppose it's meant to save on a bit of late-night shunting).
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