Abellio Greater Anglia Class 755s (Regional Trains)

bspahh · 5 Aug 2019

EE Andy b1 said:
Great effort from someone there! Is it fullsize or a little bit smaller?

Its about 5m long. This picture gives a bit more idea of the scale.

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oliMw · 5 Aug 2019

EE Andy b1 said:
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So I've not seen or obviously been on any of these Class 755/745 Flirts yet, but do like the look of them and the idea behind the removable/changeable power car and was expecting plenty from the Swiss firm Stadler.

So from those that have experienced any of these new sets, what do you think?
Is the noise from the power cars quiet from the interior?
Are they a comfortable/pleasurable riding experience?
Are they showing reliability from day one?

I know it's early days but just wondered what peoples thought were.

So i’ve just taken my first ride on the 12:36 Norwich - Great Yarmouth.

First impressions is that they are a massive upgrade, not only for the rural lines but for the intercity too. The carriages are light, airy and spacious. The windows are very large, giving a much better view outside.

The low seating position as a result of the step free access feels a little odd to begin with but it’s no issue! The higher seats towards the end are not noticeable and in fact give a nice commanding view of the train.

In terms of noise ... when you are sitting in the vestibules leading onto the power pack is about as loud as being on a 156. Once you are a vestibule away from the pack, the noise tapers to being almost non-existant. The ride quality is good and much smoother compared to the other stock on the line.

The PIS is fairly standard, the loading gauge will be useful and it’s fairly clear to understand, not sure how it will display 12 carriages on the intercity though.

The seats are comfortable, with a nice position and no problem at all with legroom.

The only niggle is that when trying to board people had left their luggage in the gangway, blocking some doors and making it difficult to board, but that’s probably due to the average IQ of Yarmouth than the trains!

Overall I am impressed.

samuelmorris · 5 Aug 2019

I suspect the loading gauge for the PIS on the 12-car units may just use one icon per carriage, since currently the bimode units seem to use three per carriage displaying the load in the front, middle and rear of each which is probably a bit overkill.

The PIS looks really good from what I've seen, it doesn't seem to adhere to the huge font requirements of the DDA, so I'm not sure how they can get away with that but it means people without impaired vision get a lot more use out of the display, I like it.

oliMw · 5 Aug 2019

That would make sense. Hopefully we won't have to wait too much longer until the Intercity sets are out so we can see how they compare to the rural units.

rdlover777 · 5 Aug 2019

are any more FLIRTs still arriving, its all been quit on the delivery front

Class 170101 · 5 Aug 2019

Class 466 said:
Two units out today.

755418 on 2P12 08:36 Norwich - Great Yarmouth
755410 on 2P50 09:06 Norwich - Great Yarmouth

I gather the Class 37 was out as well on a Control Diagram.

hooverboy said:
sure, but which angle of the environment are you looking at.

doesn't necessarily have to be turbines either(i get the bit about them chopping up marine life into little bits), but other means of generation are available....the barrages have electric floats with magnets in which bob up and down, works the same way as the old record player needles/arms do.

Question answered - the marine life.

Ethano92 · 5 Aug 2019

Class 170101 said:
I gather the Class 37 was out as well on a Control Diagram.

Question answered - the marine life.

So now we worry about marine life but not the harmful particulates people breath in everytine they're near a 'beloved' 43 or 37 loco for example. Just like those that worry about the birds around wind farms but not the fumes from using a non renewable energy source. Each to their own. Yes there are obvious negatives but I feel theyre outweighed by positives IMO

Sorry off topic

trebor79 · 5 Aug 2019

What's a Control Diagram?

robreed90001 · 5 Aug 2019

rdlover777 said:
are any more FLIRTs still arriving, its all been quit on the delivery front

from what I understand the next one arriving is 745001, the unit arrived in Calais last Monday/Tuesday and on Thursday evening was attached to 66002 but the move was cancelled, so I presume it will come this Thursday instead?

Shwam3 · 5 Aug 2019

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TheEdge · 5 Aug 2019

trebor79 said:
What's a Control Diagram?

When control send the 37 set out on an ad hoc diagram to just stop trains from being cancelled

ic31420 · 5 Aug 2019

One of the anticipated issues with the flirts was anticipated to be fuel range with rumours the sets would need to be refilled during a daily diagram.

How has this panned out?

Are the current diagrams 100% diesel or is there some electric action?

robreed90001 · 5 Aug 2019

been posted elsewhere that the first 755 on Norwich to Cambridge duty’s starts tomorrow??

grumblingalong · 5 Aug 2019

robreed90001 said:
been posted elsewhere that the first 755 on Norwich to Cambridge duty’s starts tomorrow??

Maybe yes maybe no, 755418 has been taken out of service this evening due to a wrong side door release incident which needs investigation. If it's back out, then maybe from the 0633 Norwich-Cambridge onwards, if it's not then 755410 will just cover the 37s diagram as normal.

Class 170101 · 5 Aug 2019

grumblingalong said:
Maybe yes maybe no, 755418 has been taken out of service this evening due to a wrong side door release incident which needs investigation. If it's back out, then maybe from the 0633 Norwich-Cambridge onwards, if it's not then 755410 will just cover the 37s diagram as normal.

Unless its such a defect that the whole fleet is grounded.

Railperf · 6 Aug 2019

ic31420 said:
One of the anticipated issues with the flirts was anticipated to be fuel range with rumours the sets would need to be refilled during a daily diagram.

How has this panned out?

Are the current diagrams 100% diesel or is there some electric action?

So far i understand it has been diesel only. The Great Yarmouth diagram seems to involve a trip to Crown Point - possibly for refuelling. In which case it appears to be relatively few miles between top-ups / refills! But this might just be cautionary until it is established just how much fuel is consumed on average per diagram!

dk1 · 6 Aug 2019

Putting the Flirt on the 06:33 Cambridge is the only one that doesn't require ASDO during the diagram.

jamesontheroad · 6 Aug 2019

dk1 said:
Putting the Flirt on the 06:33 Cambridge is the only one that doesn't require ASDO during the diagram.

I’m not there to witness it, but a passenger just tweeted a photo of the 06:33 and it’s a 170.

dk1 · 6 Aug 2019

jamesontheroad said:
I’m not there to witness it, but a passenger just tweeted a photo of the 06:33 and it’s a 170.

Oh so it doesn't look like today's the day then unless it's slotted in on that diagram later. One thing is for sure is that it won't be on the 07:34.

grumblingalong · 6 Aug 2019

I believe 755410 has failed on the depot this morning so no Stadlers out at least for the morning today.

Class 466 · 6 Aug 2019

Can confirm there are none out and the 37s aren’t out yet either...

chubs · 6 Aug 2019

How far are the rest of the delivered 755's from entering service? Above door issue aside.

EE Andy b1 · 6 Aug 2019

oliMw said:
So i’ve just taken my first ride on the 12:36 Norwich - Great Yarmouth.

First impressions is that they are a massive upgrade, not only for the rural lines but for the intercity too. The carriages are light, airy and spacious. The windows are very large, giving a much better view outside.

The low seating position as a result of the step free access feels a little odd to begin with but it’s no issue! The higher seats towards the end are not noticeable and in fact give a nice commanding view of the train.

In terms of noise ... when you are sitting in the vestibules leading onto the power pack is about as loud as being on a 156. Once you are a vestibule away from the pack, the noise tapers to being almost non-existant. The ride quality is good and much smoother compared to the other stock on the line.

The PIS is fairly standard, the loading gauge will be useful and it’s fairly clear to understand, not sure how it will display 12 carriages on the intercity though.

The seats are comfortable, with a nice position and no problem at all with legroom.

The only niggle is that when trying to board people had left their luggage in the gangway, blocking some doors and making it difficult to board, but that’s probably due to the average IQ of Yarmouth than the trains!

Overall I am impressed.

Ok thanks for that, they sound like there a nice set and i'll maybe get on one next week.
Obviously having there teething problems like all new rolling stock!

Non Multi · 6 Aug 2019

As this was AGA's launch slogan for these units... I Could. Not. Resist.

gingerheid · 6 Aug 2019

Travelled on one of the Estonian Flirts while on holiday last week. Lovely trains... and I really hope we keep the insides of them as clean as they do!

rdlover777 · 6 Aug 2019

grumblingalong said:
Maybe yes maybe no, 755418 has been taken out of service this evening due to a wrong side door release incident which needs investigation. If it's back out, then maybe from the 0633 Norwich-Cambridge onwards, if it's not then 755410 will just cover the 37s diagram as normal.

grumblingalong said:
I believe 755410 has failed on the depot this morning so no Stadlers out at least for the morning today.

Now you'll get those people who hate the FLIRTs going i told you so. They were doing so well in tests

Shunter_69 · 6 Aug 2019

I would hope that if the wrong side door release was down to the driver some compassion/understanding is shown by management as Norwich drivers haven’t had to release doors in the past so it’s a new train and a new procedure they are having to deal with.

Grumbler · 6 Aug 2019

Shunter_69 said:
I would hope that if the wrong side door release was down to the driver some compassion/understanding is shown by management as Norwich drivers haven’t had to release doors in the past so it’s a new train and a new procedure they are having to deal with.

I would have thought that with today's technology it would be possible for doors be prevented from opening unless next to a platform.

Shunter_69 · 6 Aug 2019

With a hefty investment in track based and on train equipment it probably is.

Goldfish62 · 6 Aug 2019

Grumbler said:
I would have thought that with today's technology it would be possible for doors be prevented from opening unless next to a platform.

It's been done on London Underground on their newer trains for years using beacons on the platform faces.

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