My mobile data has been more or less completely useless in most of the university and town centre area since the start of August. Don't know if the trackers use cellular networks to send their location to base
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Lothian Buses and ECB Discussion
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SpeedbirdA350
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Service 4 are using buses 1141-1153 and since then, they have had issues with the tracker.
SpeedbirdA350
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Yes they are.
Fryschocream
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There are ongoing issues with AVL on the dual door London buses. This is being worked on. You also have to remember the current kit is now obsolete and unobtainable. Upgrade on the way but very expensive.
Are they different buses?
It would be the south side of Princes Street between Waverly Bridge and the Gallery's with the existing bus stops closed off.
FlybeDash8Q400
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The new tour buses that I attached a link on my last post are yes. The have gasket glazing rather than bonded like 251-255
90019
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This is a myth.
I've been having the same as well. I was thinking it was something wrong with my phone, but it seems that quite a few people are having issues.
ScotRail158725
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yeah ive had that problem, around the grassmarket/high street/surgeons hall areas
RomeoCharlie71
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Another reason why Ticketer or VIX ERG would have been a much nicer upgrade than new Wayfarers!
I believe some companies have a policy that you are not allowed to reverse on public roads without guidance. Not sure whether this is true with Lothian, however.
I had this issue on Princes Street last year during The Fringe too. I ended up messaging someone through Facebook Messenger (which was working, oddly) to tell me when my bus was due!
scotrail158713
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I don’t know if that’s the case for Lothian but even if it is then what’s the alternative? The bus surely shouldn’t block the road for ages.
scotrail158713
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I believe it’s the case with ECB actually as I’ve seen drivers directing a colleague on the roads round Ormiston on the 113 actually
Auld reekie
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According to a family member who drives for LB this is their policy.
scotrail158713
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Yeah if it is the policy at ECB I’d presume it is at LB as well
Jordan Adam
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I don't recall it ever getting this bad with the Geminis. At the moment all the 100s are in the city centre bunched together! Surely they should be sending them out of service to retime or in the worst cases holding them back and getting them to just miss a run.
Airport road is closed so diversion there and a number of accidents on route not to mention Princes Street was a mess.
Even if the geminis were till running it would be the same.
Service X33 had runs 20-75 mins late today, service 11 had gaps of 60 mins and service 300 90 mins...The city can't handle rain I'm afraid.
I'll agree with you on a lot of things Jordan but you really have an axe to grind with these XLBs...
Even if the geminis were till running it would be the same.
Service X33 had runs 20-75 mins late today, service 11 had gaps of 60 mins and service 300 90 mins...The city can't handle rain I'm afraid.
I'll agree with you on a lot of things Jordan but you really have an axe to grind with these XLBs...
In fairness tonight is not a representivie example given the flooding of eastfield road and the significant traffic problems across the city. No matter what vehicles lothian is using tonight would be awful.I don't recall it ever getting this bad with the Geminis. At the moment all the 100s are in the city centre bunched together! Surely they should be sending them out of service to retime or in the worst cases holding them back and getting them to just miss a run.
Jordan Adam
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I don't really. The only issues i have with them is poor head/leg room and the lack of a powered trag axle, however that's irrelevant here. My issue here is more with the fact they've not bothered to try and retime things and are instead getting buses to continue bunched together, it was the same yesterday.
AJW12
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It would actually be interesting to see, if there was actually any truly comparable data to show journey times / bunching likelihood for the XLBs vs any other single door decker. Sadly there isn't really though. Many of the frequent services in Edinburgh are always bunching simply because of the traffic and road conditions. Just one missed green light and having to wait can add 2-3 mins, and then with more people waiting, it just gets worse...
That said, I made a handful of journeys on the 11 and 16 and some of the journeys on XLBs did take longer. I think it was because, at the time, there was a bit of a difference in how they were driven. A few journeys, the drivers would open the centre door, let the passengers off, close the centre door, open the front door, board passengers, close the front door. And on all three of the 11s I caught where the drivers did that, another 11 ended up right behind us by Morningside.
The ones that seemed quicker (and on a couple of occasions, caught up with the previous service) were the ones where drivers would operate the doors London-style - opening both sets at the same time to minimise the time spent at the stop.
Although, based on today's punctuality mess, some services were upto and maybe over 30 minutes delayed. That surely can't be caused solely by a different vehicle operating the service.
That said, I made a handful of journeys on the 11 and 16 and some of the journeys on XLBs did take longer. I think it was because, at the time, there was a bit of a difference in how they were driven. A few journeys, the drivers would open the centre door, let the passengers off, close the centre door, open the front door, board passengers, close the front door. And on all three of the 11s I caught where the drivers did that, another 11 ended up right behind us by Morningside.
The ones that seemed quicker (and on a couple of occasions, caught up with the previous service) were the ones where drivers would operate the doors London-style - opening both sets at the same time to minimise the time spent at the stop.
Although, based on today's punctuality mess, some services were upto and maybe over 30 minutes delayed. That surely can't be caused solely by a different vehicle operating the service.
SpeedbirdA350
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It was horrific out at the airport today. Over a foot, 2ft in places deep with no way thorugh for buses (although a wet cyclist did...) Traffic jams were everywhere too, so no wonder some buses were running so late and with gigantic gaps in service.
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I think the introduction of the dual door buses on the 4 has definitely had an effect in the short term... certainly whilst the drivers are still getting used to them.
You’d be surprised how having just a few buttons in different places and the additional responsibility of opening/closing the centre door can slow things down.
And as AJW12 says it only takes the combination of this and missing a set of lights, getting stuck behind other loading buses etc and before you know it time has disappeared and you have no way of clawing it back.
Recovery times at terminal also seem to have been reduced with some having as little as 5-7 minutes which at rush hour simply isn’t enough. So with the festival traffic and loadings there is no hope.
You’d be surprised how having just a few buttons in different places and the additional responsibility of opening/closing the centre door can slow things down.
And as AJW12 says it only takes the combination of this and missing a set of lights, getting stuck behind other loading buses etc and before you know it time has disappeared and you have no way of clawing it back.
Recovery times at terminal also seem to have been reduced with some having as little as 5-7 minutes which at rush hour simply isn’t enough. So with the festival traffic and loadings there is no hope.
SpeedbirdA350
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This is a problem as drivers need more than 5 minutes at the end of a route but LB should not be shocked that this would happen. It happened last year, and year before and year before that so it's not something new.
I do think the council have also altered timings on some city centre lights, which holds traffic for longer.
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In their shoes I think I'd be resentful about how running the tram on roads from Haymarket along Princes Street to York Place already messes up so many sets of traffic lights and delays their bus services. An extension down Leith Walk is only going to mean additional resource is necessary on several routes just to maintain existing frequency levels. In terms of passenger numbers and usefulness the tram does OK, but won't be much better than routes like 11, 16, 22 etc.
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It seems the 48s do not go into Fort Kinnard is this true?
Also would it be better if the following happened?
21: Is revised to operate via The Jewel and Fort Kinnaird
30: Every 15mins current full route
30F: Every 15min Fort Kinnaird to Longstone only
48: Extended to operate though fort Kinnaird - into the Jewel - Portobello - Restalrig
49: revised to Leith walk - Lochend Road and terminate at Restalrig
140 extended from Muss to Ocean Teminal?
Also would it be better if the following happened?
21: Is revised to operate via The Jewel and Fort Kinnaird
30: Every 15mins current full route
30F: Every 15min Fort Kinnaird to Longstone only
48: Extended to operate though fort Kinnaird - into the Jewel - Portobello - Restalrig
49: revised to Leith walk - Lochend Road and terminate at Restalrig
140 extended from Muss to Ocean Teminal?
scotrail158713
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Where do the 48s finish then? Is it where the 400s finish i.e. the stop just before the traffic lights and the roundabout.
ScotRail158725
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48 terminates outside like 400
21: if it was shorter this wouldnt be bad but the route is too long
30: needs higher frequency not less along Fort - Musselburgh
48: bit of a long extension, as far as portobello would do
49: not bad idea tbh
140: not along Seafield road as it has too much congestion especially at peak
Auld reekie
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The traffic lights at the junction of South St David Street is a joke.
There always seems to be chaos there.
ScotRail158725
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eastbound about 3 buses get through at most before they go red same with the st david street onto princess street heading west they get the same short time. This only gets worse with the trams (worst investment in edinburgh) wich disrupt it even more
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