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Inverness to queen street is due to leave just now. Sleeper is here and we are due to travel. However heavens have just opened.

Train has jùst left 4 QS and i will track it and see what progress it makes.

Heard nothing from CS yet but what stock will they have at Aviemore as its here. Or will it travel empty.
 
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kcaco

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Inverness to queen street is due to leave just now. Sleeper is here and we are due to travel. However heavens have just opened.

Train has jùst left 4 QS and i will track it and see what progress it makes.

Heard nothing from CS yet but what stock will they have at Aviemore as its here. Or will it travel empty.
According to RTT it’ll travel empty to Aviemore at 2000. I wonder if it has staff misplaced? Otherwise... put us on it!
 

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There are going to be a fair few customers p155ed off is the sleeper is seen pulling away at Inverness as ECS, only to be told that they are being taken by coach or bus to Aviemore to get on that exact same train. I know that circumstances may prevent boarding at Inverness but at least get the stock out of sight before the punters start showing up.
 

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Multiple Scotrail trains have travelled between Inverness and Aviemore, the daytime London train is on the way as well, but the Sleeper is still going to start from Aviemore?

Is there some reason why the Sleeper in particular can't carry passengers on the line, or is it just very bad customer service?
 

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The most up-to-date information in the lounge is that we will be bussed to Aviemore. “Fortunately” you can’t see the station, let alone the train from the lounge.

I’m not a betting man, but I’d put money on the passengers arriving at Aviemore before the train does.
 

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Just speculation, but it was a London based crew that came up last night so my guess is that either they were lodged in Aviemore or starting back allows more rest time. I can't think of any other reason for it, others may know.
 

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Beat me to it. Sleeper was sat on 2 at Inverness all doors released and some staff there ready to let folk on, only for it to be cancelled and started at Aviemore.

Very strange state of affairs.
 

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Just speculation, but it was a London based crew that came up last night so my guess is that either they were lodged in Aviemore or starting back allows more rest time. I can't think of any other reason for it, others may know.
Thats it mate.
 

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So... been checking this thread for a couple of weeks before my lowlander trip and getting up hope with reports of much smoother running.

And now the start of boarding time has come and gone with the train stuck in Wembley due to loco problems...
 

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Just speculation, but it was a London based crew that came up last night so my guess is that either they were lodged in Aviemore or starting back allows more rest time. I can't think of any other reason for it, others may know.

Am I right in thinking that the London crew lodging in Inverness (and the Scottish crew lodging in London) need a minimum of 9 hours rest before booking on for duty again? They probably did not get to Inverness until 11am (because I don’t think the buses got to Aviemore until about 10 this morning?) so probably could not have booked on again until 20:00. I’m not quite sure how starting 1M16 at Aviemore would help matters, as presumably the London crew would need to board the rail replacement bus with all the passengers (though admittedly this might not have left Inverness until 21.00). Presumably all the lounge car supplies were loaded at Inverness and the berths prepared before the ECS left, leaving everything pretty much ready for the London crew at Aviemore?
 

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How many staff would actually be needed from inverness if passengers were just allowed to use the seats until arrival at Aviemore?

Obv driver and guard, but anyone else?
 

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How many staff would actually be needed from inverness if passengers were just allowed to use the seats until arrival at Aviemore?

Obv driver and guard, but anyone else?
Doubt you could fit six sleepers' worth of passengers into whatever seats are not occupied by seated passengers, even if you used the lounge car too.
 

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Fort William portion diverted to Dundee tonight

Presumably not detached from Aberdeen portion and passengers on a bus at 6am.

One bus for stations to Bridge of Orchy from Edinburgh and other from Dundee via A9 / A86 to stations north of Tulloch.

Presumably still good for 10am in Fort William?
 
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Regarding the Fort William line being closed between Ardlui and Crianlarich (according to earlier posts either in this thread or the now closed Flood Disruption thread), has any thought ever been given to Edinburgh - Oban/Fort William passengers travelling to Stirling or Dunblane for a replacement bus to Crianlarich?

This would be a much shorter route from Edinburgh and East Central Scotland.
 

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But the WHL passengers are on the Aberdeen portion.
And the shortest route to fort William from Dundee is via the A9 to Dalwhinnie and then the A86.
Presumably the other bus will travel via Glasgow.
 

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ScotRail saying new temporary WHL timetable from Monday to allow Oban to Crianlarich service, with shuttle bus between Crianlarich and Arrochar. What stock is North of the blockage - take it no sleeper stock?

If it was a more prolonged closure, hie long could the 156s work ‘trapped’ - I guess it was done for a good while when the Ness viaduct collapsed!
 
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I'm due to travel to and from Dalmuir next week. CS' website suggests that the road replacement from Edinburgh will be stopping at Glasgow, but from Fort William only as far as Arrochar & Tarbet. However heading up to A&T would mean over a 3 hour wait for the bus. Is it wishful thinking that they could arrange ticket acceptance with ScotRail to Edinburgh?
 

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Ive got off the sleeper at Dalmuir a couple of times when my ship has been in dock south of the Clyde as I can get a lift from there (its convent for the Erskine bridge). Ive always been the only passenger, I think its mostly for the Conductor to change over. Where are you travelling there from? If its from or via London you are better off getting a transfer to the Lowlander unless you need a very early start.
 

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Ive got off the sleeper at Dalmuir a couple of times when my ship has been in dock south of the Clyde as I can get a lift from there (its convent for the Erskine bridge). Ive always been the only passenger, I think its mostly for the Conductor to change over. Where are you travelling there from? If its from or via London you are better off getting a transfer to the Lowlander unless you need a very early start.

I would imagine Dalmuir might get a few passengers in the Glasgow area wanting Crewe?
 

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I would imagine Dalmuir might get a few passengers in the Glasgow area wanting Crewe?
Ive been a pretty regular customer to Garelochead (and occasionally to other stations) my impression is that there is the occasional berth customer to Dumbarton or Helensburgh but its very rare for the other stations up to Arrocher to have any customers other than walkers taking a trip up the line. I think by far the majority of people are travelling to Fort William. Ive not often still been in the lounge at Crewe but I get the impression there are sometimes maybe half a dozen passengers there mostly during the peak summer season.
 

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Ive got off the sleeper at Dalmuir a couple of times when my ship has been in dock south of the Clyde as I can get a lift from there (its convent for the Erskine bridge). Ive always been the only passenger, I think its mostly for the Conductor to change over. Where are you travelling there from? If its from or via London you are better off getting a transfer to the Lowlander unless you need a very early start.
Travelling from London, and yes it's because I'd prefer to be there for the earlier arrival time. I didn't think transferring to the Lowlander was an option?
 

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Travelling from London, and yes it's because I'd prefer to be there for the earlier arrival time. I didn't think transferring to the Lowlander was an option?

It depends what ticket you have (assuming you’ve bought it already). If it’s an anytime (or perhaps off-peak?) single from London (or station in the London area) marked ‘route any permitted’, i.e. a flexible ticket which is not restricted to a particular train or operator, you should be able to use the Lowlander provided that you contact CS to pay the berth supplement and book a berth from Euston to Glasgow, and then get a connecting train from either Queen Street or Central to Dalmuir. If it’s a CS fixed advance marked ‘booked train only’ for the 21.15 departure, the Highlander, I believe that you will need to use the Highlander as booked to Edinburgh, then use the bus to one of the set down points (presumably if the bus stops in Glasgow or Dumbarton, you can get a connecting train from there to Edinburgh). The same applies in reverse going south, except that getting the replacement bus seems more tricky southbound (if you have a fixed ticket which is only valid on the southbound Highlander). If you have a fixed ticket southbound, I would advise you to ring the guest services centre in office hours and see what they might be able to do for you (or what they might suggest). With a flexible (any permitted) ticket southbound, you would just be able to pay the berth supplement for the Lowlander and travel on that after getting a connecting train into Glasgow.
 

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Ive been a pretty regular customer to Garelochead (and occasionally to other stations) my impression is that there is the occasional berth customer to Dumbarton or Helensburgh but its very rare for the other stations up to Arrocher to have any customers other than walkers taking a trip up the line. I think by far the majority of people are travelling to Fort William. Ive not often still been in the lounge at Crewe but I get the impression there are sometimes maybe half a dozen passengers there mostly during the peak summer season.

I have known the occasional berth customer to Dalmuir, but it’s fairly rare. Helensburgh is quite a common set-down point for passengers in berths, as are Crianlarich, Rannoch and my stop Spean Bridge (also Corrour in the spring, summer and early autumn for hill walkers/when it’s stalking season). The other stops seldom see berth customers in my experience. My impression from the times I’ve used it is that about two thirds of the berth customers are travelling all the way to Fort William.

On the Inverness section, by the way, the intermediate stops between Perth and Inverness are particularly well patronised- as much as half the train embarks/disembarks at stops between Dunkeld and Aviemore, with Pitlochry, Kingussie and Aviemore being particularly popular in both directions. I find that on the Highlander, many of the intermediate stops are just as important as the final destination, and that this ought to be taken to account at times of disruption. I’ve never used the Aberdeen section, but I can imagine that the same is true (particularly of Leuchars, Dundee and Stonehaven).
 

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I'm on advances both ways so can't transfer then. I'll probably call them at some point and enquire. Thanks for the clarification :)
 

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I'm on advances both ways so can't transfer then. I'll probably call them at some point and enquire. Thanks for the clarification :)

If I were you, I would definitely call them tomorrow or Saturday and see what they can do. I find that they are usually very helpful in the guest services centre, and they’ll do whatever they can to help you. If you’re lucky they might arrange you a taxi, or at least ticket acceptance with Scotrail between Edinburgh and Dalmuir (I believe, to make things easier, you can get a direct train from Edinburgh to Dalmuir on the route via Airdrie, but I wouldn’t be sure of how the connections worked). They might exceptionally let you use the Lowlander, but don’t be too disappointed if they don’t (it might already be full, for instance). Hopefully they won’t make you stand waiting at Arrochar and Tarbet for three hours for a bus! (I’d tell them that wasn’t acceptable, hopefully they will have the good sense to see this).
 

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