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School bus route being referred to as a 'Coach' route

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Martin2012

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Have noticed that some school/college bus routes are referred to as being "Coach" routes. Either by the educational establishment or by the operator.However in reality the operator has buses in use on its school services. However in other instances such routes are referred to as being "bus" routes even when a coach is the most common form of vehicle on them.

Does anyone have a suggestion as to why there might be a preference for refering to a route as being a 'coach' route rather than a 'bus' route? Is it more of a marketing tactic or is it done in cases where such a route would typically be worked by a coach?

The route I used to travel to college on was referred to as being a 'coach' route although in reality the operator working the service regularly used buses. The same operator also ran routes to other schools which were referred to as being 'coach' routes although in reality buses were commonly used.
 
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There are a large number of iveco coaches owned by TFGM with 'School Bus' plastered all over them.. Always triggered me :lol:
 

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Have noticed that some school/college bus routes are referred to as being "Coach" routes. Either by the educational establishment or by the operator.However in reality the operator has buses in use on its school services. However in other instances such routes are referred to as being "bus" routes even when a coach is the most common form of vehicle on them.

Does anyone have a suggestion as to why there might be a preference for refering to a route as being a 'coach' route rather than a 'bus' route? Is it more of a marketing tactic or is it done in cases where such a route would typically be worked by a coach?

The route I used to travel to college on was referred to as being a 'coach' route although in reality the operator working the service regularly used buses. The same operator also ran routes to other schools which were referred to as being 'coach' routes although in reality buses were commonly used.

I would suggest it is simply because in many quarters there is confusion between the difference!
 

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I am sure that there are plenty of parents who would not dream of putting their little snowflakes on anything as down market as a "bus" but are happy to let them use a "coach" if it gets them out of the school run.

Pure marketing, nothing else.
 

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The Public Service Vehicle Accessibility Regulations (PSVAR) applies to all new public service vehicles (buses or coaches):
  • introduced since 31 December 2000
  • with a capacity exceeding 22 passengers
  • used to provide a local or scheduled service
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ervice-vehicle-accessibility-regulations-2000

PSVAR only applies to new public service vehicles with a carrying capacity of more than 22 passengers that are used on local or scheduled services and have been introduced into service since 31 December 2000. Proposals for access to other services and for small vehicles (with 22 passengers or fewer) will be subject to further consideration and consultation.

Hence the use of older coaches and buses for school transport - which tend not to be local or scheduled services open to the public
 

Cesarcollie

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The Public Service Vehicle Accessibility Regulations (PSVAR) applies to all new public service vehicles (buses or coaches):
  • introduced since 31 December 2000
  • with a capacity exceeding 22 passengers
  • used to provide a local or scheduled service
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ervice-vehicle-accessibility-regulations-2000

PSVAR only applies to new public service vehicles with a carrying capacity of more than 22 passengers that are used on local or scheduled services and have been introduced into service since 31 December 2000. Proposals for access to other services and for small vehicles (with 22 passengers or fewer) will be subject to further consideration and consultation.

Hence the use of older coaches and buses for school transport - which tend not to be local or scheduled services open to the public

But be aware that any scheduled service where one or more passengers pay a fare - whether to the operator, a school, or a local authority, will be caught by PSVAR. This will therefore include a large number of ‘school’ services. The only exception will be those that only carry ‘entitled’ pupils - ie those where the LA has a statutory duty to transport to school - or any additional children where the LA elects to carry them but make no charge. The latter category is increasingly rare nowadays with budget cuts.

As a consequence, most vehicles on such services from January will be required to meet PSVAR - the most significant element of which is wheelchair access, but also includes destination displays, priority seats, contrasting handrails etc.

Much of the industry- and many local authorities- have not yet woken up to this change.....
 

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all the users of the buses at my secondary have bus passes paid for by the council, avoiding PSVAR. anyway again most school bus services at my secondary are operated by metrobus, so wheelchair access, destination boards etc already exist. the only exception is the coach service which seems to be usually operated by a plaxton premiere with a personalised plate, so probably at least 25 years old. think it's similiar in other schools in the county as well.
 

Man of Kent

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all the users of the buses at my secondary have bus passes paid for by the council, avoiding PSVAR. anyway again most school bus services at my secondary are operated by metrobus, so wheelchair access, destination boards etc already exist. the only exception is the coach service which seems to be usually operated by a plaxton premiere with a personalised plate, so probably at least 25 years old. think it's similiar in other schools in the county as well.
Assuming you to be in West Sussex, the county council there does offer the chance to buy a seat on some school contracts https://www.westsussex.gov.uk/educa...or-transport-to-school/paid-school-transport/
If this is the case on any route serving your school, then Cesarcollie's comments apply 100%.
 

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Growing up in London and interested in all forms of public transport I understood from an early age that the Underground comprised both tube trains and sub-surface stock which, apart from any other consideration, wouldn't fit into a tube tunnel. Now, however, the word Tube is used in many quarters to denote any Underground train, and is even used inappropriately by some who should know better e.g. spokespersons for TfL. Similarly, the words bus and coach have become virtually interchangeable in news media circles, especially in 'breaking news' stories. When I've been in France in the past in rural places I've noticed the French also seem to have a problem with differentiation, many bus routes mainly being at times to benefit schoolchildren, but operated sometimes by what we would consider to be coaches. The operators, too, sometimes have Autobus in their titles but words like Car appear to, reminiscent of when companies like Lincolnshire and East Kent used Road Car as part of their monikers.
 

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Growing up in London and interested in all forms of public transport I understood from an early age that the Underground comprised both tube trains and sub-surface stock which, apart from any other consideration, wouldn't fit into a tube tunnel. Now, however, the word Tube is used in many quarters to denote any Underground train, and is even used inappropriately by some who should know better e.g. spokespersons for TfL. Similarly, the words bus and coach have become virtually interchangeable in news media circles, especially in 'breaking news' stories. When I've been in France in the past in rural places I've noticed the French also seem to have a problem with differentiation, many bus routes mainly being at times to benefit schoolchildren, but operated sometimes by what we would consider to be coaches. The operators, too, sometimes have Autobus in their titles but words like Car appear to, reminiscent of when companies like Lincolnshire and East Kent used Road Car as part of their monikers.

Not to mention United Automobile Services.

It's just a turn of phrase/display of ignorance by people who are probably not that bothered by the distinction and, I have to say, can't say I'm that bothered myself.
 

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Not to mention United Automobile Services.

It's just a turn of phrase/display of ignorance by people who are probably not that bothered by the distinction and, I have to say, can't say I'm that bothered myself.
You sound like the kind of scoundrel that would put the cream on a scone first in Cornwall! (Or is it Devon that does that and Cornwall that does the opposite, I can never remember).
 

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You sound like the kind of scoundrel that would put the cream on a scone first in Cornwall! (Or is it Devon that does that and Cornwall that does the opposite, I can never remember).
Cornwall = JAM first, followed by as much clotted cream as you can manage without it toppling! Personally, I prefer a good cheese scone, preferably without cream.
 

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Cornwall = JAM first, followed by as much clotted cream as you can manage without it toppling! Personally, I prefer a good cheese scone, preferably without cream.

Has to be jam first, as putting jam on top of a suitably large pile of cream is too difficult without it all falling off.
 
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