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ECML/MML major power problems (09/08)

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Reports on Twitter of passengers having left a stranded train. Sounds like absolute pandemonium today, glad I got the bus!

https://mobile.twitter.com/GNRailUK/status/1159872660538634240

Naturally there will always be one who attempts to stir up anger amongst others, however something which *really* riles me is when they attempt to use the presence of a disabled person as a tool for furthering their troublemaking. I've seen this happen so many times - in nearly all cases the disabled person is quite happy and content, yet their presence is used by others as a means of justifying how "terrible" the situation is. I will always give such troublemakers a very big piece of my mind.
 
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Naturally there will always be one who attempts to stir up anger amongst others, however something which *really* riles me is when they attempt to use the presence of a disabled person as a tool for furthering their troublemaking. I've seen this happen so many times - in nearly all cases the disabled person is quite happy and content, yet it used as a means of justifying how "terrible" the situation is. I will always give such troublemakers a very big piece of my mind.

Sounds like there was a disabled passenger genuinely in distress, however in the most part I agree with your point.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GNRailUK/status/1159889700783579137

Emma Vogelmann said:
At Letchworth station. 2 passengers had to get me off as the 1 ramp trained staff was arranging taxis! How that’s an appropriate use of time when the driver knew my ventilator battery is low I do not know. I’m disgusted by your treatment of disabled passengers

Not necessarily implying that it is the fault of the TOC, either.
 

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The only option to go north now is Chiltern, as London Kings Cross is now closed, London St Pancras is “severely overcrowded” and London Euston is exit only!
 

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All services currently at a stand between Bedford and St. Pancras.

Thameslink services blocking any EMT services from moving.
 

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Sounds like there was a disabled passenger genuinely in distress, however in the most part I agree with your point.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GNRailUK/status/1159889700783579137



Not necessarily implying that it is the fault of the TOC, either.

This isn't all mutually exclusive. Bear in mind the person stirring up the trouble doesn't actually *care* about the disabled person, it's simply a means of serving their own position.

(Real life example)
Punter "it's disgusting that you're non stopping a platform without telling anyone while the staff deal with people stuck in a lift, there's a pregnant woman down there who needs urgent assistance *now*
Staff "ok I will go and deal with it right away"
Punter "don't you realise how disgusting it is that you've got a pregnant woman down there"
Staff "I just said I will go and deal with it immediately"
Punter "but it's disgusting, this shouldn't be happening, I want your name so I can complain"
Staff "I can't do that and go and help the pregnant woman"
Punter "This is just disgusting. I'm going to complain about this and make sure you get in trouble, it's terrible, there's all sorts of people down there who don't know what's going, and you're doing nothing about it".
(etc etc etc).

Zero interest in actually resolving the alleged problem, every interest in just being an arsehole.
 

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The LNER train I was on was thankfully put onto the skies and stopped in the platform at WGC. The train is too long for the platform but the guard has been given permission to open a local door to allow passengers to leave. Most passengers have left the train to seek alternative travel.

Another LNER train was stranded on the fast line adjacent to us. Those passengers aren’t as lucky as there’s no platform on the fast lines at WGC so those passengers are still on the train, unable to get off.
 

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Zero interest in actually resolving the alleged problem, every interest in just being an arsehole.

Welcome to Twitter! The amount of passengers irate at the TOC rather than the Grid is quite shocking (but not surprising).
 

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Now just imagine if this has had happened in our post-carbon all electric future.

In midwinter.
 

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Welcome to Twitter! The amount of passengers irate at the TOC rather than the Grid is quite shocking (but not surprising).

The TOC always gets slaughtered on there but signalling problems, tresspassers on the line, power outages, someone hit by a train, weather issues etc etc are not their fault. Yes, they need to react and deal with it as much as they can.

You can only really blame the TOC for a lack of carriages or cancellations due to staffing issues.
 

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Just to clarify a few things about the impact of the power fault...

- The signalling in various areas was knocked out, but mostly restored quickly (mainly affecting the south east, principally the Chatham and Lewes grid areas, affecting the Sussex Coast and east Kent, but also the South London Metro area).
- As well as the power cut affecting lighting etc. at Clapham Junction, the SDO beacon system has also been affected here and possibly also at a few other locations, so trains have had to undergo manual door override procedures and so on. This has affected most of the stock in the area.
- The Class 700s have experienced a power fault which is particularly irksome at the best of times, although it can usually now be reset or worked-around within a few minutes, with the overall experience of the last few years. Some units have successfully reset, but others have not, and these failed units are sufficient in number to block various routes. Unfortunately, the fault resolution process then locks down the units if it is unsuccessful after a couple of goes, so fitters will be required to attend quite a few trains. Where possible, units which have had a successful reset will try to rescue those units still stranded.

Advice is not to travel on routes operated by / shared with Thameslink north of the Thames...

Lots of ticket acceptance and buses in place, but I’m guessing this is realistically unlikely to be resolved much before tomorrow morning.

Also lots of evacuations taking place of stranded units. Some drivers are facing the worst-case “do it alone” (or with minimal manpower) evacuation scenario.
 

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Was on the news a few minutes ago that LNER are advising people not to travel tonight. Not good for those stuck at Kings Cross trying to get home
 

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As well as the power cut affecting lighting etc. at Clapham Junction, the SDO beacon system has also been affected here and possibly also at a few other locations, so trains have had to undergo manual door override procedures and so on. This has affected most of the stock in the area.
Also not helped by SWR drivers receiving a GSM-R broadcast from GTR’s Control, causing lots of issues.
 

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Don't we (supposedly) have a Strategic Steam Reserve somewhere for exactly this kind of scenario? :lol:
 

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Welcome to Twitter! The amount of passengers irate at the TOC rather than the Grid is quite shocking (but not surprising).

Has anyone suggested that railways should be nationalised as yet to ensure it doesn’t happen again?

(Whilst travelling on either LNER, standing in a Network Rail station, or stuck complaining about a DfT specified 700)
 

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Some services are being turned with LNERs 1E14 1300 Edinburgh - London having returned north to Stevenage from Welwyn Garden City.
 

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Has anyone suggested that railways should be nationalised as yet to ensure it doesn’t happen again?

(Whilst travelling on either LNER, standing in a Network Rail station, or stuck complaining about a DfT specified 700)

The vast majority of the time when something goes badly wrong with the railways on a particular day it's nothing to do with a TOC.
 

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the imminent closure of the older nuclear stations this situation will get worse.

And yet electric cars and buses are the way forward, which place additional demands on the grid.
 

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As for too much wind being a problem for turbines, during the long hot spell last year one of the solar installations on the Isle Of Man received too much sun, was then making too much power and caused it's transformer to explode!
 

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I’ve just arrived at EUS on a VT from MAN, the station is not exit-only but the concourse is extremely busy. There are still some delays and cancellations following earlier problems but I’d guess that everyone there should be able to get away before too long.
 

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- The Class 700s have experienced a power fault which is particularly irksome at the best of times, although it can usually now be reset or worked-around within a few minutes, with the overall experience of the last few years. Some units have successfully reset, but others have not, and these failed units are sufficient in number to block various routes. Unfortunately, the fault resolution process then locks down the units if it is unsuccessful after a couple of goes, so fitters will be required to attend quite a few trains.

Units with computers intentionally designed to respond to a power cut by requiring fitters to visit, thus shutting down large portions of the rail network for a long period of time. At least we know it’s not the Russians, they are nowhere near this successful...
 
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