Peter Mugridge
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Last I heard was that the project had been abandoned.
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LUL Rolling Stock Preservation
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Last I heard was that the project had been abandoned.
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Dstock7080
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Indeed, despite being lengthened by two additional cars early in the project it has never been used for its intended purpose.
Journeyman
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I saw it sitting outside Northfields depot a couple of weeks ago.
bluegoblin7
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It's been there for nearly four years now!
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If they are paying for them and the owners are happy to sell why not? I suspect that their is probably some agreement to refurbish and replace the parts anyway.
bluegoblin7
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Correct. There is an agreement in place that is beneficial to Cravens Heritage Trains whilst enabling a faster turnaround for an important part of LU's track inspection strategy. No parts have been 'sold' and essentially it is no different to how other overhauls happen - working parts are swapped in for old, which in turn are refurbished and then swapped back into the next unit. The net result will be that the Cravens unit ends up with a large amount of mechanical work done at a fraction of the cost.
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Sounds like a good deal, and I'm glad the unit seems to be secure. I always liked the 60s - while not successful as originally planned, they carved out a niche for themselves and were around for a long time, significantly contributing to the successful development of ATO and the rather fine 67/72 stock design.
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Any updates on its wellbeing? Is 3229 still on the branch or has it been taken away? LUL could really use another piece of heritage!
bluegoblin7
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It remains on the Aldwych branch.
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Well everyone, it appears our hopes may be in vein. Whilst stored at Ruislip depot. 3 of the 4 cars have been damaged by vandals. They have been significantly tagged with graffiti. Being an aluminium train too I’m sure this could spell its end. The spray paint will most certainly leave marks on the body.
Dstock7080
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What Stock are you referring ?
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The Aldwych 72TS 3229. Cars 4229/4329/3329 have been significantly hit by graffiti.
bluegoblin7
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What is your source for this? I am reliably informed that the unit is back in Aldwych and has not been to Ruislip.
Either way, it’s irrelevant because it isn’t preserved.
Either way, it’s irrelevant because it isn’t preserved.
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Indeed so.
MrGriff500
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It was kept there for a little while on its trip to Stonebridge Park, and the point is, many of us would LIKE to see it preserved as it’s a very rare type of train! And it’s condition is entirely original except the red fronts.
bluegoblin7
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Put your hand in your pocket and make LUL an offer then...?
It isn’t preserved. We saw this with the A stock and it’s like going round in circles.
It isn’t preserved. We saw this with the A stock and it’s like going round in circles.
bramling
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There are a couple of fundamental differences with the 72 stock though. Firstly, for the now at least it has a use, so the issue thankfully doesn't need to arise. Secondly, when (or even if) the time comes that the current use ends, there is some potential for the unit to have a life in preservation as it will still be able to be used on at least two lines for the forseeable future, unlike the surface stocks which had a more finite lifespan because of the introduction of ATC. Thirdly there's commonality with a present LU stock, so surely there should be some opportunity for savings to be made on maintenance. Fourthly, the unit has had the unique advantage of having spent nearly all of the last two decades stored underground having left front-line service after a comparatively short life, so one would expect its condition to be above par.
There's a lot of wishful thinking in the above, but never say never.
From my point of view it represents a lost segment of LU's history far more than something like a refurbished A stock, which isn't actually massively different from stocks still in frontline service today - especially in terms of livery and interior design.
Nym
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ATC isn't an issue for vehicles if you can find the heart to modify them by say, adding a 2nd cab wall to block up the 1st seatbays.
A Stock, C Stock and D Stock COULD all be fitted with "ATC" signalling for manual driving. And indeed a 1960TS is fitted for Central Line ATP, the D78 RAT is fitted for (or I hope it is by now, it should have been done this year) CBTC. Not to mention numerous Battery Locomotives, some with all three dominant signalling systems on LU fitted. (CL ATP, Thales S40 and Thales S60)
A Stock, C Stock and D Stock COULD all be fitted with "ATC" signalling for manual driving. And indeed a 1960TS is fitted for Central Line ATP, the D78 RAT is fitted for (or I hope it is by now, it should have been done this year) CBTC. Not to mention numerous Battery Locomotives, some with all three dominant signalling systems on LU fitted. (CL ATP, Thales S40 and Thales S60)
MatthewRead
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Shame none of them weren't would have been nice to have each of the 3 surface stock trains in preservation for railtours but I suppose it would have been deemed to expensive
simple simon
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could always do what has been done with at least one Paris metro train - fit diesel power pack and use on a railway that is not part of the metro network
The loss of the A stock was probably more about asbestos than anything else. It could not be removed and allowing enthusiasts getting their hands on the train would likely have seen an element of health risk at a later date (from asbestos)
Here is a thought - heretical perhaps, but anyway - does anyone recall that LU went to an overseas company to have some replica C stock cars built to replace the ones damaged in the 2005 bombing? Maybe there would be a company willing to build some replicas for the heritage industry? Even static / unpowered would be better than nothing! In suggesting this I also have steam loco Tornado in mind. I admit, I have no idea of how much it would cost.
The loss of the A stock was probably more about asbestos than anything else. It could not be removed and allowing enthusiasts getting their hands on the train would likely have seen an element of health risk at a later date (from asbestos)
Here is a thought - heretical perhaps, but anyway - does anyone recall that LU went to an overseas company to have some replica C stock cars built to replace the ones damaged in the 2005 bombing? Maybe there would be a company willing to build some replicas for the heritage industry? Even static / unpowered would be better than nothing! In suggesting this I also have steam loco Tornado in mind. I admit, I have no idea of how much it would cost.
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You mean Vivarail?
simple simon
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This was done before Vivarail. Also, the idea in France is to preserve the train in its metro condition for occasional nostalgic use - Vivarail are essentially rebuilding the trains for full-time mainstream use, almost as if a brand new train.
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