East Midlands Railway livery and station branding

Passed a 222 (5 car) today with EMR INTERCITY decals on it.

52321 and 52302 were both at Kidsgrove this morning with EMR Regional branding on.

Might be a 222 in full livery in the first week

Mariner16 said:

Might be a 222 in full livery in the first week

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I would certainly expect one to be revealed at the EMR launch event.

XCTurbostar said:

I would certainly expect one to be revealed at the EMR launch event.

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Most likely either a 222 or 158 I'd say. Most likely not an HST as that would probably take too much time.

The Robin Hood line trains have EMR regional stickers on the side - sadly they have just rubbed the dirt off and applied the sticker rather then cleaning the whole train which is a bit of shame. They are also running an hourly service from Nottingham to Worksop tomorrow (sunday) for the first time in many years.

222012 now in EMR intercity stickers

Rockhopper said:

The Robin Hood line trains have EMR regional stickers on the side - sadly they have just rubbed the dirt off and applied the sticker rather then cleaning the whole train which is a bit of shame. They are also running an hourly service from Nottingham to Worksop tomorrow (sunday) for the first time in many years.

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They're not running to Worksop tomorrow.

222004 is also sporting the same EMR INTERCITY stickers

LowLevel said:

They're not running to Worksop tomorrow.

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RTT says they are - didn't see any signs on the station telling everyone about it though.

MML said:

Does anyone else tire of the considerable waste of money involved in this continual rebranding ?
I don't mind an internal and external refurbishment of stock at regular intervals, but when you see the same service or lack of, same trains, same stations, same staff, increasing prices and lack of comfort and seats, it's quite irritating to see new stickers, new liveries and minor cosmetic adjustments.
And apart from the few enthusiasts, the general public probably won't even notice the stickers. A passenger travelling from London to Sheffield couldn't really care whether it's called EMT, EMR or ERM. They want a seat, at a reasonable price at the time of their choosing.

Privatisation doesn't seem to have improved comfort, capacity or reduced prices for customers. It has simply diverted revenue into the pockets of PR merchants, branding consultants and those providing the stickers, posters and paint. Rant over.

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I think you have to keep a sense of perspective - EMT re-liveried everything when they took over in 2007 - that's 12 years ago. Reality is that most units will be due a refresh as will station signage. And BR were no different in that respect, just that they might have painted in the same colour.

I think privatisation HAS improved comfort - the 350s are better than the 321s which preceded them, personally I prefer EMTs 222s to their HSTs as there is better legroom and I find the high backed seats in the 222s much comfier.

MML said:

Don't worry. They'll stick with it until 80% of the fleet is done and then change it all again.

It's too dark for my liking. And dark colours sometimes show more of the dust and dirt.
A nice neutral silver or grey which didn't need to be changed with every franchise would do.

Problem with First. Stagecoach and Virgin is they cover the whole train in their corporate colours so the trains have to be re-painted when new owner takes over. Thameslink, Great Northern branding seems better with little to change if the franchise changed hands.

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Most of them are vinyls so not painted as such. As for silver / grey - no thanks. The East Coast stuff looked utterly drab in that awful primer grey with purple stripe - utterly hideous.

Personally I think electric blue, as in original E3000 series locos would have been nice to celebrate (partial) MML electrication. I can live with Aubergine though. More tasteful IMO than the garish Stagecoach house colours.

Rockhopper said:

RTT says they are - didn't see any signs on the station telling everyone about it though.

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For Shirebrook to Whitwell and EMT trains from Worksop RTT shows no trains at all for the 11th, as it shouldn't, as they're not running.

Update time. Also some photos from the tour yesterday, these power cars will be de-branded by next Sunday.

Class 08 shunter:
08525 - EMT blue
08690 - EMT blue
08899 - Maroon
08908 - EMT blue
08950 - EMT blue

Class 43 HST power cars:
43043 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43044 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43045 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43046 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43047 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43048 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43049 - De-branded intercity blue/white
43050 - Full EMT intercity blue/white, 11 Years of EMT
43052 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43054 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43055 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43058 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43059 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43060 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43064 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43066 - De-branded intercity blue/white
43073 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43076 - De-branded intercity blue/white
43081 -
43082 - De-branded intercity blue/white
43083 - Full EMT intercity blue/white
43089 - Full EMT intercity blue/white

43423 - Plain blue, no branding
43465 - Full EMT Revised blue
43467 - Full EMT Revised blue
43468 - Full EMT Revised blue
43480 - Partly de-branded
43484 - Full EMT Revised blue

Class 153 (Due to leave by Jan 2020):
153302 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153308 - Full EMT regional blue
153310 - Full EMT regional blue
153311 - Full EMT regional blue
153313 - Full EMT regional blue
153318 - Full EMT regional blue
153319 - Full EMT regional blue
153321 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153326 - Full EMT regional blue
153355 - Full EMT regional blue
153357 - Full EMT regional blue
153368 - Full EMT regional blue
153372 - Full EMT regional blue
153374 - Full EMT regional blue
153376 - Full EMT regional blue
153379 - Full EMT regional blue
153381 - Full EMT regional blue
153382 - Full EMT regional blue
153383 - Full EMT regional blue
153384 - Full EMT regional blue, Possibly some 11 years branding after a tour on Wednesday?
153385 - Full EMT regional blue

Class 156:
156401 - Full EMT regional blue
156403 - Full EMT regional blue
156404 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156405 -
156406 - Full EMT regional blue
156408 - Full EMT regional blue
156410 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156411 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156413 - Full EMT regional blue
156414 - Full EMT regional blue
156415 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156470 - Full EMT regional blue
156473 - Full EMT regional blue
156497 - Full EMT regional blue
156498 - Full EMT regional blue

Class 158:
158770 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158773 - Full EMT intercity white
158774 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158777 - Full EMT intercity white
158780 - Full EMT intercity white
158783 - Full EMT intercity white
158785 - Full EMT intercity white
158788 - Full EMT intercity white
158799 - Full EMT intercity white
158806 - Full EMT intercity white
158810 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158812 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158813 - Full EMT intercity white
158846 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158847 - Full EMT intercity white
158852 - Full EMT intercity white
158854 - Full EMT intercity white
158856 - Full EMT intercity white
158857 - Full EMT intercity white
158858 - Full EMT intercity white
158862 - Full EMT intercity white
158863 - Full EMT intercity white
158864 - Full EMT intercity white
158865 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158866 - Full EMT intercity white
158889 - Full EMT intercity white

Class 222:
222001 - Full EMT intercity white
222002 - Full EMT intercity white
222003 - Full EMT intercity white
222004 -
222005 - Full EMT intercity white
222006 - Full EMT intercity white

222007 - Full EMT intercity white
222008 - Full EMT intercity white
222009 - Full EMT intercity white
222010 - Full EMT intercity white
222011 - Full EMT intercity white
222012 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222013 - Full EMT intercity white
222014 - Full EMT intercity white
222015 - Full EMT intercity white
222016 - Full EMT intercity white
222017 - Full EMT intercity white
222018 - Full EMT intercity white
222019 - Full EMT intercity white
222020 - Full EMT intercity white
222021 - Full EMT intercity white
222022 - Full EMT intercity white
222023 - Full EMT intercity white

222101 - Full EMT intercity white
222102 - Full EMT intercity white
222103 - Full EMT intercity white
222104 - Full EMT intercity white

Appreciate keeping the list updated @43055

Lots of changes to come over the next few weeks.

Theres a fair few more 15x already rebranded. I'll try get some numbers tomorrow for you 43055. Think I've seen 774 and 846 today

They're being done so quickly it's hard to keep up. 156411 has definitely received EMR branding.

Thanks for updated list. Great 11 years photos.

londonmidland said:

Appreciate keeping the list updated @43055

Lots of changes to come over the next few weeks.

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Not a problem. Thank you for starting the thread.

Mariner16 said:

Theres a fair few more 15x already rebranded. I'll try get some numbers tomorrow for you 43055. Think I've seen 774 and 846 today

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LowLevel said:

They're being done so quickly it's hard to keep up. 156411 has definitely received EMR branding.

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Ok thanks for the additional units. I have added them to the list. I did see 415 yesterday in EMR and that was it. On a PRM 156 the new logo does look quite good.

Trainfan2019 said:

Thanks for updated list. Great 11 years photos.

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Thank you

A 5 car class 222 (didn't get the number so it may be already marked) not only has EMR logos on the outside but EMR aubergine safety posters in at least one carriage. Worked the London end of the 20:26 from Sheffied tonight.

Hard to see why ELEVEN years is thought to be so special as to be worth adorning trains. Not ten years? Very odd.

Deepgreen said:

Hard to see why ELEVEN years is thought to be so special as to be worth adorning trains. Not ten years? Very odd.

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Not odd, not difficult to understand.

The EMT franchise ends next weekend and they are (rightly) celebrating the achievements in the 11 years (not that far off 12, actually) that Stagecoach have held the franchise.

57384 has got the 11 years branding on door exteriors. Saw at Crewe tonight.

43096 said:

Not odd, not difficult to understand.

The EMT franchise ends next weekend and they are (rightly) celebrating the achievements in the 11 years (not that far off 12, actually) that Stagecoach have held the franchise.

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Those achievements being what exactly?
The continued lack of capacity?
The significant deterioration of the internal condition of the internal state of the mainline fleet compared to the beginning of the franchise?
The ongoing staff shortages leading to regular ticket office closures?
The ongoing industrial action that stagecoach have made next to no attempts at resolving?
The advanced fares that are consistently significantly higher than similar length journeys on other intercity operators?
The gradual extension of journey times on the mainline in order to give commuter trains greater and greater priority?

Qwerty133 said:

Those achievements being what exactly?
The continued lack of capacity?
The significant deterioration of the internal condition of the internal state of the mainline fleet compared to the beginning of the franchise?
The ongoing staff shortages leading to regular ticket office closures?
The ongoing industrial action that stagecoach have made next to no attempts at resolving?
The advanced fares that are consistently significantly higher than similar length journeys on other intercity operators?
The gradual extension of journey times on the mainline in order to give commuter trains greater and greater priority?

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Remember that it is being taken over by a company that ruined a timetable that had worked perfectly well for a decade.

Trainfan2019 said:

57384 has got the 11 years branding on door exteriors. Saw at Crewe tonight.

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For what it's worth, the number you're quoting isn't the unit number (as seen in the list above) - carriage 57384 is 153384, if I remember correctly.

Thanks for the correction skyhigh. I posted in a rush and forgot about the correct list.

Might have been the same one I saw in Kidsgrove this morning too.

Qwerty133 said:

Those achievements being what exactly?
The continued lack of capacity?
The significant deterioration of the internal condition of the internal state of the mainline fleet compared to the beginning of the franchise?
The ongoing staff shortages leading to regular ticket office closures?
The ongoing industrial action that stagecoach have made next to no attempts at resolving?
The advanced fares that are consistently significantly higher than similar length journeys on other intercity operators?
The gradual extension of journey times on the mainline in order to give commuter trains greater and greater priority?

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Most of which is not in the control of the franchisee, but is DfT driven.

I do think your reaction is myopic, churlish and more than a little immature.

Agree with you on that one. East Coast and National Express liveries were hideous.

A0wen said:

Most of them are vinyls so not painted as such. As for silver / grey - no thanks. The East Coast stuff looked utterly drab in that awful primer grey with purple stripe - utterly hideous.

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