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whats the rail for outside the front nearside top deck?

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Ken H

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probably a daft question but I cant think why
 
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Prevents overhanging tree branches scratching the window
They often do more than scratch it!
You'll often see vehicles with damage to that corner, in extreme cases breaking the window as well. The problem is that local authorities, who are supposed to keep the highway clear, don't really bother with tree lopping any more and bus companies are reluctant to do it because of issues with tree ownership. The general feeling is that branches will get broken off when they're small which will keep things clear however there's an issue with roads with less traffic and instances where buses have to take a different position on the road from usual. Some trees don't help as they have a reaction that if a branch gets harmed (i.e. hit but not broken) they repair the damage by making the area stronger so a branch that gets pushed out of the way several times can easily come back and wreck a bus a few months later. Thankfully days like today will deal with a lot of problem branches!
 

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Tree guards and very often on both sides and along the top. Essential this time of the year when trees are in leaf and heavy with rain,
 

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Do any bus companies still have tree flopper vehicles? I can't think of any.
 

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Thanks for replies. never though of trees!

Likewise! Years ago when I first noticed them I wondered what they were for, and never knew til now. Thank you folks!
 

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Do any bus companies still have tree flopper vehicles? I can't think of any.
Do bus companies have a right to lop branches overhanging the public highway? I presume they must have had post 1930-RTA as many did it, but do they still have the right post-deregulation?

I recall that in the late 1960s Winchester Corporation instructed R Chisnell & Sons/King Alfred Motor Services that, following complaints from residents about "over-enthusiastic" tree-lopping by the bus operator, the Corporation would take responsibility for tree-lopping and the bus operator were no longer to involve themselves.

Transdev don't specify tree-guards, because Alex Hornsby is of the opinion they look ugly . . . and I'm inclined to agree with him on that point.
 

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Transdev don't specify tree-guards, because Alex Hornsby is of the opinion they look ugly . . . and I'm inclined to agree with him on that point.
Thats odd, cos I saw one on a yorkshire coastliner yesterday. Didnt see what type of bus it was.
 

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Transdev don't specify tree-guards, because Alex Hornsby is of the opinion they look ugly . . . and I'm inclined to agree with him on that point.
As I'm usually in the bus, I'm not too bothered what it looks like; I would rather it didn't have a cracked window or a big dent/ hole in the roof, or, even worse, did not run as it had had to be taken out of service due to tree damage.
 

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Do bus companies have a right to lop branches overhanging the public highway? I presume they must have had post 1930-RTA as many did it, but do they still have the right post-deregulation?

I recall that in the late 1960s Winchester Corporation instructed R Chisnell & Sons/King Alfred Motor Services that, following complaints from residents about "over-enthusiastic" tree-lopping by the bus operator, the Corporation would take responsibility for tree-lopping and the bus operator were no longer to involve themselves.

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there was an old Leeds city transport double decker with the top removed in the 1960's. blokes with handsaws trimmed the trees.
 

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As I'm usually in the bus, I'm not too bothered what it looks like; I would rather it didn't have a cracked window or a big dent/ hole in the roof, or, even worse, did not run as it had had to be taken out of service due to tree damage.

Long ago, in Leeds in the early 70's I was on a 32 LCT bus which went down whitehall road. Back loader double decker -
me and Dad were sat up front upstairs.

They had just started fitting radios to the buses, and an Ariel between the front upstairs windows.

Anyway the driver was in a hurry, and went under the rail bridge at a lick. There was a god-awful bang.

The Ariel had hit the bridge and whacked against the single skin bus roof!

Soon after that I noticed the ariels were pointing down instead of up!
 

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Travelled on the open-top bus from Poole to Swanage a few years back and there were places where the trees would have taken my arm off had I put it over the side.
 

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Transdev don't specify tree-guards, because Alex Hornsby is of the opinion they look ugly . . . and I'm inclined to agree with him on that point.

Bit of a stupid flawed logic there, no surprise coming from them however. I think i'd rather have a tree guard than a massive hole up the front of the bus!
 

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When the Council ran a lot of the bus operations there was no legal problem concerning tree lopping.
 

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When the Council ran a lot of the bus operations there was no legal problem concerning tree lopping.
Back in the days that councils ran bus operations there didn't used to be legal problems with lots of things. No win no fee solicitors have ensured that there are nowadays!
 
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