Well a change in pretty much all the very senior management at GTR has resulted in a complete culture change - massively for the better. Hopefully it’ll start to become visible to passengers soon. Perhaps it could help at SWR too.
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Class 442s - Now at the end of the road and to be withdrawn permanently
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molecrochip
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The proposal was:
1710 Fast to Portsmouth Harbour (skip Woking)
1719 Stopper to Portsmouth & Southsea
1729 Stopper to Fratton (skip Woking, overtaken at Haslemere)
1740 Fast to Portsmouth Harbour (skip Woking)
1749 Stopper to Portsmouth & Southsea
1759 Stopper to Petersfield (skip Woking, overtaken at Haslemere)
1810 Fast to Portsmouth Harbour (skip Woking)
1819 Stopper to Southampton Central (via Havant)
1829 Semi-fast to Fratton (skip Woking, overtaken at Haslemere)
1840 Fast to Portsmouth Harbour (skip Woking)
1849 Stopper to Portsmouth Harbour
1859 Stopper to Fareham (skip Woking, overtaken at Haslemere)
xx29 and xx59 are peak extras
1810 Fast to Portsmouth Harbour (skip Woking)
1819 Stopper to Southampton Central (via Havant)
1829 Semi-fast to Fratton (skip Woking, overtaken at Haslemere)
1840 Fast to Portsmouth Harbour (skip Woking)
1849 Stopper to Portsmouth Harbour
1859 Stopper to Fareham (skip Woking, overtaken at Haslemere)
xx29 and xx59 are peak extras
Do the fasts stop at Godalming or is the calling pattern Guildford, Haslemere, ...
HamworthyGoods
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Fast calling pattern in the peaks was not stopping at Woking but then calling Guildford, Godalming, Haslemere, Petersfield etc in line with DfT specification.
Generally removing a stop between Woking and Haslemere generally only means you catch the stopper up quicker.
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Thanks for digging that info out. Interestingly it also shows that although the peak 6 tph from Waterloo is heading in the general Portsmouth direction, Portsmouth itself must be full at that time.
I guess limited capacity at the Harbour is why some trains have to be diverted (ie to Fareham or Southampton) and some terminate short (ie at Fratton). Would it ever be possible to run the whole 6 tph all the way into Portsmouth?
Thanks for digging that info out. Interestingly it also shows that although the peak 6 tph from Waterloo is heading in the general Portsmouth direction, Portsmouth itself must be full at that time.
Would it ever be possible to run the whole 6 tph all the way into Portsmouth?
I’m sure it would be possible with some effort but I’d imagine the ones that terminate at Fareham or Southampton stable at Northam for the evening, although platform capacity at the harbour is full, as was proven last week when all Southern 1Sxx and 1Jxx were terminated at fratton, with the Littlehampton allowed into the low level. That said on weekends when the Netley is shut, it’s common to see both Southampton Southerns sent to the low level with minimal change to the SWR services.
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Thanks for the list, I realise that during the am and pm peaks there are extra services, but I think that during the off peak periods, the only promise was was extending the haslemere terminator through to Portsmouth, giving the 4tph
samuelmorris
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Could a new thread be started for this? It isn't really much to do with 442s any more...
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Completely agree
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I made a comment a few pages back along the lines that we had been promised something next week with the 442s for what seems like quite a while. I haven't heard anything for a few weeks, and the tone of the last update I did hear was not positive.
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Seen two 442s move to from clapam junction this morning
442/414 leave clapham sidings and another unit (too far away to see) move into clapham sidings
Was 442/414 one of the first units to enter service? Or is it on test?
442/414 leave clapham sidings and another unit (too far away to see) move into clapham sidings
Was 442/414 one of the first units to enter service? Or is it on test?
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There is no 442/014. I assume you mean 442414?
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Sorry yes, i wondered if it looked like a 4
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Not impressed with SWR this morning, 9B88 failed to call at Woking this morning:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Q09537/2019/08/13/advanced
The reason given was “Train being late from the depot.” It left the depot 1E:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Q09520/2019/08/13/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Q09537/2019/08/13/advanced
The reason given was “Train being late from the depot.” It left the depot 1E:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Q09520/2019/08/13/advanced
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RTT shows that it left Southampton Up Yard 3 late and lost a little more time along it's journey.
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It was probably the best decision, annoying as it may be. Had the Woking stop been maintained the knock on effect to services behind would have started to snowball. From a Woking commuter perspective there are many other services; the main "losers" are those on the service travelling to Woking. I often watch the morning peak evolve by look at Woking moves on RTT. I then use the real time maps to look at the "dance" of getting main line services into an out of Waterloo - https://www.opentraintimes.com/maps/signalling/wat . It is very easy to see how a simple minute delay can gradually build up until you get a break down of punctuality. Watching the evening peak is especially interesting, particularly the use of the UMR to weave services in and out so you can effectively get more departures than if you only used the Down Main line.
But back to 442's - any more news on PDL introduction? Just two more sets in traffic would enable most PDL peak time short formations to be sorted, albeit some would still be 450 instead on 444/442.
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Afaik there is still no news on their introduction to the Portsmouth Direct Line. There is still a magnitude of guaging issues still to be sorted out and signed off on.
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The 442s were 4L at Woking yesterday and stopped (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Q09537/2019/08/12/advanced). Despite not calling at Woking this morning they were just as late into Waterloo as they were yesterday. I appreciate that there can be advantages to skipping stops during disruption - and the acceleration limitations of the 442s might mean there are more benefits to those skipping stops - but I find at Woking that it doesn't matter if a train is a bit late because it soon catches up the trains in front through CLJ.
Problem is that any delay on Woking junction has significant consequences for the peak. A delay to 9B88 delays 1B90, which then causes a knock-on delay for 1P16 first and Woking junction and secondly at Surbiton, where 2F86 plugs the gap between 1B90 and 1P16
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I understand they will be running as class 9s still so I suspect not.
Does that mean 2 drivers will still be a requirement on all services?
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Yes, but only east of Woking I believe.
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5Q96 Poole to Fratton CSD (formed off the 18.48 Waterloo to Poole) is on it’s way to get PIGs in place in Pompey for Monday morning.
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Currently delayed at Havant.
trainmania100
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Does anyone know if the pigs on the Portsmouth one today are new 442s, in sense that they haven't been in use with SWR yet? Or are they 2 of the 4 that have already seen service
HamworthyGoods
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They had already seen service, as mentioned earlier in the chain they ran ECS to Fratton off the 18.48 Poole on Friday evening.
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