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MML Electrification: progress updates

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"Infill" is always the hardest projects to get off the ground, there are many unelectrified chords and short stretches that have been dropped from scopes in other projects, including GOBLIN and GWML. If the MML becomes just another infill with perfectly functional services on it, we'll be looking at the same conundrum when it comes to replacing the AT300s.

I was thinking about this recently. Once you have paid more to buy bi-mode hybrid rolling stock the argument and case to complete the electrification becomes more difficult.

Cascading the bi-mode stock and replacement with full electric would be one option but rolling stock cascading isnt political great as Northen MPs are finding.
 
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I was thinking about this recently. Once you have paid more to buy bi-mode hybrid rolling stock the argument and case to complete the electrification becomes more difficult.

Cascading the bi-mode stock and replacement with full electric would be one option but rolling stock cascading isnt political great as Northen MPs are finding.

If MML electrification were to be completed in a timely manner, the bi-modes could be as little as 10 years old - plenty of life left in them. It should be politically easier to cascade them than (for example) the class 319s, which were about 25 years old when they first arrived in the north.
 

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I was thinking about this recently. Once you have paid more to buy bi-mode hybrid rolling stock the argument and case to complete the electrification becomes more difficult.

Cascading the bi-mode stock and replacement with full electric would be one option but rolling stock cascading isnt political great as Northen MPs are finding.

I assume you'd be able to then remove the diesel engines etc

Or maybe they could be cascaded to replace some of the Cross Country Voyagers, which would then remove some diesel under wires running
 

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I assume you'd be able to then remove the diesel engines etc
A distinct advantage of the modular Hitachi design with the easily demountable generator rafts. There would be separate fuel tanks to remove as well if they're not integral to the power raft, but I'm assuming that should also be fairly straightforward as they must be simply slung under the bodyshells. Many whole life savings and other benefits could then accrue from lighter, better performing trains, although they might want to fit moderately sized battery packs in place of the engines to retain some off wire capability, once the vast majority of the route was electrified. Even before removing engines was viable, the operator could take advantage of more wiring to conserve off wire range of the units and reduce engine hours, hence increasing fueling and servicing intervals, and to tackle the overheating related reliability issues arising from prolonged diesel running at very high power output.
 

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A distinct advantage of the modular Hitachi design with the easily demountable generator rafts. There would be separate fuel tanks to remove as well if they're not integral to the power raft, but I'm assuming that should also be fairly straightforward as they must be simply slung under the bodyshells. Many whole life savings and other benefits could then accrue from lighter, better performing trains, although they might want to fit moderately sized battery packs in place of the engines to retain some off wire capability, once the vast majority of the route was electrified. Even before removing engines was viable, the operator could take advantage of more wiring to conserve off wire range of the units and reduce engine hours, hence increasing fueling and servicing intervals, and to tackle the overheating related reliability issues arising from prolonged diesel running at very high power output.

Yes, if the diesels were only required for short slower stretches away from the mainline (e.g. when Hull Trains get theirs) you would need far less power. Indeed the Hull Trains 802 is a perfect example of where Bimodes make sense.
 

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If MML electrification were to be completed in a timely manner, the bi-modes could be as little as 10 years old - plenty of life left in them. It should be politically easier to cascade them than (for example) the class 319s, which were about 25 years old when they first arrived in the north.
I assume you'd be able to then remove the diesel engines etc

Or maybe they could be cascaded to replace some of the Cross Country Voyagers, which would then remove some diesel under wires running

In 10 years ScotRails Inter7Cities HSTs will be due to retire - perfect place for quite a few of them
 

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Yes, if the diesels were only required for short slower stretches away from the mainline (e.g. when Hull Trains get theirs) you would need far less power. Indeed the Hull Trains 802 is a perfect example of where Bimodes make sense.
Indeed the same for GWML where the original concept was a core fleet for the primary high speed trunk that were all electric, with bi-modes for the less frequent slower branches. Requiring every single train to have and use diesels for fairly long proportions of their daily diagrams has its costs and dis-benefits. Can be very useful strategy to allow progressive further electrification without the fleet replacement pressure though! That became a costly necessity on GWML clearly.
 

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But marginal fuel costs and marginal maintenance savings are never going to pay for electrification.

Especially since it's not even the entire maintenance cost of the diesels, since not running diesels regularly can actually increase maintenance issues.


And we are going to have such a large number of bi-modes that there will be nowhere to cascade them to.
 

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But marginal fuel costs and marginal maintenance savings are never going to pay for electrification.

Especially since it's not even the entire maintenance cost of the diesels, since not running diesels regularly can actually increase maintenance issues.


And we are going to have such a large number of bi-modes that there will be nowhere to cascade them to.

I take the point, but... diesel trains are often re-engined at mid life. So you could save that cost too.
 

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A few more images from my travels this week. These photos are from the Irchester end of the Wymington deviation.

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A pile of the old local electricity distribution masts which have been removed following the underground burial of said cable are lying around adjacent to the fast lines. N.B. all power cable has been removed so nothing for undesirables to steal.
 

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And Friday's debacle with the National Grid is hardly likely to encourage government to want to put more electrification up if the trains can't use it because there isn't enough power. Better for the trains to power themselves and disregard the environmental issues that come with that.
 

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And Friday's debacle with the National Grid is hardly likely to encourage government to want to put more electrification up if the trains can't use it because there isn't enough power. Better for the trains to power themselves and disregard the environmental issues that come with that.

I think Government will be able to see through the issues of yesterday. Something that only affected two classes of trains (and you can be reasonably sure that Siemens engineers are right now devising a solution so that it doesn’t happen again).
 

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I think Government will be able to see through the issues of yesterday. Something that only affected two classes of trains (and you can be reasonably sure that Siemens engineers are right now devising a solution so that it doesn’t happen again).

I was more aiming this comment at the wider power industry rather than the Class 700s/717s. Don't forget more wires equals more electrified railway and more trains using it so more strain on the National Grid as NR would need more electric power to power the electric trains.
 

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I was more aiming this comment at the wider power industry rather than the Class 700s/717s. Don't forget more wires equals more electrified railway and more trains using it so more strain on the National Grid as NR would need more electric power to power the electric trains.
Which would all pale into insignificance if plans for electric cars and HGVs come to fruition.
 

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I am very interested in the ECML PSU2 projet because its embracing power electronics.

Co-phase power systems allow single phase 25kV loads to be presented to the grid as a balanced threep hase load, and allows all overhead wires to be operated commoned together using phase angle control to share power between feeders as required.
 

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I am very interested in the ECML PSU2 projet because its embracing power electronics.

Co-phase power systems allow single phase 25kV loads to be presented to the grid as a balanced threep hase load, and allows all overhead wires to be operated commoned together using phase angle control to share power between feeders as required.

......and so we will get more MML electrification sooner, I hope..:E
 

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MML Wiring Progressometer 31.0 (as of 12th of August 2019)
Mileages are from St. Pancras. Unless mentioned otherwise, all reference to the "Fast" side refers to tracks on the western side of the "10-foot" (centre of the track pairs), and the "Slow" side for the tracks on the eastern side.

Bedford (49m 65ch) - Wellingborough (65m 09ch)
  • Work to raise Ford End Rd bridge is now complete.
  • On the Fast side, behind Bedford P4's fence, masts to support troughing appear to have been erected. These may carry feeder cables or similar.
  • Piles have gone in next to the turnback siding at Bedford.
  • On the Fast side south of Bromham Rd Bridge, Bedford, at least 9 masts are now up. These masts stretch northwards from Bromham Rd as far as the eye can see, towards the Great Ouse Bridge. A number of masts now have TTC booms - many booms have stovepipes.
  • Over the pointwork of Bedford North Jct (just north of Bromham Rd Bridge), the majority of masts now have booms (either TTC or Portal). SPS also starting to go up.
  • Between Bedford North Jct & Sharnbrook Jct, about 90% of masts are up on both sides of the line.
  • Aerial Earth Wire is now up on both sides between Bedford & Oakley, verified in the Clapham area. All four lines are now wired past the former site of Oakley Station as far north as the Tensorex portal between Oakley Viaduct & Highfield Rd. Two-track portals now appear to be up over Oakley Viaduct too (on both lines).
  • At Bromham, in the Lower Farm Rd (https://goo.gl/maps/rSPFrDAZQ362) bridge area, the Fast Lines are wired (C&C, plus Aerial Earth) as far as the eye can see southwards, and at least as far as the next Tensorex portal. At present, only Aerial Earth is up on the Slow side of the line here; all cantilevers are folded out of alignment.
  • Near Milton Ernest, all wires are now up as far as the Tensorex portal south of Radwell Rd O/B on all lines except the Up Slow. It is assumed at this stage (but not verified) that the wires now continue over Oakley Viaduct. Earth Wire also up on both sides. North of there, wires only continue on the Up Fast & Down Slow.
  • About 6 TTCs are up immediately to the north of Radwell Viaduct, over the Slow lines (https://goo.gl/maps/r5oXUSSPSAo); 3 more TTCs are up accompanying them over the Fast lines (positioned between the pairs of lines). Between New Rd O/B & Radwell Viaduct, all main steelwork appears to be up. The portals immediately south of the viaducts are due to act as MPAs (Mid-Point Anchors).Portals have gone up over the Slow Lines' viaduct, along with the AEW for the Slow lines and the Down Slow's C&C (albeit without SPS). Work to install the brackets supporting the corresponding Fast Line portals is now underway.
  • Roughly 3 or 4 piles (now with boomless TTC masts) are in next to the Down Fast, and another 4 (3 of which have boomed TTC masts) next to the Up Slow just north of Moor End Lane, Radwell (https://goo.gl/maps/cmgWsgyYAo62). South of Moor End Lane (but north of the next bridge to the south), about 5 TTC masts are up (2 of which have booms) adjacent to the Up Slow, with a similar number in adjacent to the Down Fast. South of that bridge, another 2 piles have masts (possibly w/ booms).
  • Two twin track portals have now gone up over the Slows at Sharnbrook Viaduct; a third is due to follow, and a fourth may also be in the offing (although I have no visual confirmation at present).
  • Around Sharnbrook Jct (south of Templars Way O/B), at least 4 piles have gone in adjacent to the proposed alignment of the future Up Slow.
  • North of Templars Way overbridge, 3 boomed TTC masts are in place on the Slow side, and 1 boomed & dressed TTC mast is in place on the Fast side. South of these, a pair of portal uprights have gone up.
  • Almost all masts are now up over the Slow lines, from just north of Park Ln, Sharnbrook (https://goo.gl/maps/df2As431FDr) to Sharnbrook Rd overbridge (southern end of Souldrop bank); the 4-tracking here is not yet complete as signals "WH378" and “LR 8” sit right in the path of the restored Up Slow. Some TTCs have now gone up on the Fasts between these bridges too.
  • At Souldrop (between Sharnbrook Rd & Back Lane overbridges), 400m approx of Aerial Earth Wire (AEW) has gone up on the Slow side TTCs. On the Down Slow (to be), a run of C&C has now gone up, continuing south of Sharnbrook Rd (not sure for how far), but definitely beyond the MPA portal almost immediately south of Sharnbrook Rd. The corresponding MPA portal on the Fast lines is now erected, but SPS, cantilevers & registration arms have yet to be installed. The Fast side AEW is also up to the south of Sharnbrook Rd, but is not registered on the portal.
  • On the Fasts, wires are now up from the 2nd-closest Tensorex portal south of Back Lane Bridge (aka Odell Viaduct), and continue north until just shy of Irchester, where the Fast lines rejoin the Slow lines.
  • North of Sharnbrook Tunnel, the first 15 piles (13 Down, 1 Up) now bear steelwork. 11 of these are TTCs (all on the Down side); the other 4 will bear SSAs "wicket-keepers" for wire run terminations in Tensorex drums on either side of the running lines.
    South of Bridge WYM-4 (adjacent to the New Inn), 9 of the 17 piles are now in on the Down side of the Slow lines - presumably for the (future) Down Slow at least.
  • Between Wymington (https://goo.gl/maps/apZ6wwj9StR2) and Wellingboro', intensive 4-tracking is underway. Near the Google Maps link posted for Wymington, the car park used for the 4-tracking works is due to house a National Grid substation for the electrification; the concrete base has now been laid for the substation.
  • In the southern area of the Wymington Deviation, around 9 masts are now up on the Fasts (single cantilever type). North of Souldrop Tunnel, all 7 piles south of the footbridge at 60m56ch (5 down, 2 up) now have masts (4 STCs, 3 TTCs), and another 7 piles (6 of which bear boomed TTC masts) are up to the north.
  • A portal (two track) has now gone up on the Fast just south of Wymington Village.
  • Near the centre of the "deviation", there are now many more masts up (with cantilevers too) on the Fasts. On the Up Fast side, there is one mast missing near Sharnbrook Summit, just north of the northernmost bridge before the summit. I suspect it might be an Overlap Termination, and as such will be Tensorex.
  • On the Slows at the northern end of the "deviation", a number of STCs and TTCs have gone up, with at least two twin track portals also up.
  • Masts have now sprung up in large numbers north and south of Station Rd Bridge, Irchester. North of Station Rd, all masts seem to be up over the Fast lines as far as the first footbridge north of there (Knuston Lodge).
  • Irthlingborough Viaduct still has no masts.
  • Between Irthlingborough Viaduct & I'borough Rd Bridge (i.e. the Kangaroo Spinney area), virtually all TTCs have booms now. The Fast side is seeing much more progress than the Slow side, with masts/booms nearly at I'boro' Rd Bridge.
  • Irthlingborough Rd Bridge was demolished on Christmas Day 2018 - only the utilities pipe remains. A temporary footbridge has also been erected. Immediately north of the temporary bridge, 2 pairs of TTCs (1 pair in the Fast side cess, the other pair in the 10-foot) have gone up complete with booms, and a mast for a Tensorex Anchor portal has gone up too (in the Slow side cess).

Wellingborough (65m 09ch) - Kettering (72m 01ch)
  • Preparations to return the 4th platform (P4) at Wellingborough to public use have now begun. De-veg work and clearing ground for the new entrance and access road are underway.
  • Two piles are in next to each other just north of P1; one of which now bears a boomed TTC mast. The other must be for a backstay.
  • Extensive 4-tracking laid (except at points where existing infrastructure has to be moved).
  • Between Mill Rd O/B, and Finedon Rd O/B, over 95% of steelwork is now up. Only a few things remain outstanding, like Anchor Portal Backstays, Across Track Feeder masts etc.
  • North of Finedon Rd Bridge, all portal booms are now up.These accompany the TTCs over both pairs of lines near Wellingborough Yards; SPS and cantilevers are now starting to go up.
    South of these booms, a TTC (boom facing the Slow side) has been erected in the 10-foot.
  • Rumours are afoot that the two western sidings in Wellingborough Up Yard (those nearest the Up Slow) will be wired and used by NR. These rumours also state that a northern connection to the yards will be provided as well.
  • TTCs stretch north from Wellingborough Yards over both pairs of lines as far north as the Weetabix factory (north of Burton Latimer).
  • At Harrowden Junction, assembly of two Anchor Portals has begun, but only the southern one has a boom. The signal gantry still appears to be in situ.
  • At Burton Latimer (south of the Weetabix factory), power lines (National Grid) might be due a raise; taller wooden poles have been erected adjacent to the existing ones.
  • Almost all (if not all!) masts and booms have now gone up around Kettering Headlands.
  • Ground clearance works ongoing at Kettering Yard; the yard will be electrified as part of an EMU stabling facility.
  • A number of TTCs have now been erected on the southern approach to Kettering station, roughly parallel to Kettering Yard. So far, these amount to 8 over the Fasts (4 having booms) and 5 (all boomed) over the Slows. At least 1 STC and 2 Anchor Portal uprights are also up next to the Slows.

Kettering (72m 01ch) - Glendon Jct (74m 00ch) - Corby (79m 40ch)
  • No activity yet at Kettering station - Platform extensions for the new EMU services are planned, and it is not yet known if canopy works will need to be undertaken.
  • On the Fast side, around 6 TTCs are up to the north of the signal gantry at the north end of Kettering station; another is up immediately south of said gantry. On the Slow side, about 4 or 5 TTCs are up roughly parallel to the 6 on the Fasts; one is currently without a boom. Another pile is driven & capped in the 10-foot between the Up Fast & Down Slow.
  • Between Kettering station & the A43, a number of piles are now in on the Slow side between the A43 bridge (nr Prologis Park) & the A6003 (Northampton Rd) bridge.
  • At Glendon Jct/Kettering North Jct, all piles on the Slow side have now grown TTCs with booms; at least 5 are now bedanglied ("dressed"). A few signal gantries from the BR days have been (or are due to be) removed. A pair of portals spanning all 4 lines have gone up over the Kettering North Jct pointwork.
  • A pair of Anchor Boom Portal Masts are now up on the Slow side just short of where the lines to Corby diverge; 2 TTCs (one without a boom) are between them. No corresponding structures have appeared on the Fast side yet.
  • 4 Spanwire masts have also gone up around Glendon, all so far on the Up side. A pile for a fifth is up near the northernmost one.
  • About 5/6 STC masts are up adjacent to each side of the line just north of Glendon Jct, roughly where the Corby Lines diverge from the Mains.
  • Pile now in on the Down side near Kettering North Jct.
  • 2nd track now in operation, and linespeed raised to 90mph where it was previously 60mph.
  • A number of STCs are up over both sides in the Storefield area. The Corby branch electrification compound is also located here.
  • A good stretch of the overheads are now up between a point just south of Newton Rd Bridge (near the former site of Geddington Station), continuing northwards over Harper's Brook Viaduct.

Glendon Jct (74m 00ch) - Market Harborough (82m 74ch)
  • Braybrooke Substation approved. To be located here: (https://goo.gl/maps/fuy1uZeDjdQ2).
  • The extent of wiring towards Market Harborough has now been as good as confirmed to reach the station.

Upcoming works:
  • 23/6/19: Kettering to Corby replaced by buses all day; done.
  • 30/6/19: No early morning trains between Bedford & Kettering. First northbound service from Bedford departs 10:47; first southbound service from Kettering departs 10:45. Done.
  • 7/7/19: No early morning trains between Bedford & Kettering. First northbound service 10:47. Kettering to Corby replaced by buses all day; done.
  • 14/7/19: All trains diverted between Kettering & Syston North Jns (i.e. via Corby & Manton Jn). Leicester & Mkt H'boro served by coach from Kettering; done.
  • 21/7/19: Kettering to Corby replaced by buses all day; done.
  • 28/7/19: Kettering to Corby replaced by buses all day; done.
  • 4/8/19: No early morning trains between Bedford & Kettering, and no trains between Kettering & Corby; done.
  • 11/8/19: No early morning trains between Bedford & Kettering, and no trains between Kettering & Corby; done.
  • 31/8/19 to 1/9/19: No service between Bedford & Kettering.
  • 8/9/19: No service between Bedford & Kettering all day. Kettering to Corby still open.
  • 29/9/19: No service between Bedford & Kettering all day. Kettering to Corby still open.
  • 6/10/19: No service between Bedford & Kettering all day. Kettering to Corby still open.
  • 2/11/19 to 3/11/19: No service between Bedford & Kettering.
  • 10/11/19: No service between Bedford & Kettering all day. Kettering to Corby still open.
  • 16/11/19 to 17/11/19: No service between Bedford & Kettering.
  • 1/12/19: No service between Bedford & Kettering all day.
  • 21/12/19 to 28/11/19: No service between Bedford & Kettering.

Any updates would be greatly appreciated.
 

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And Friday's debacle with the National Grid is hardly likely to encourage government to want to put more electrification up if the trains can't use it because there isn't enough power. Better for the trains to power themselves and disregard the environmental issues that come with that.

Didn't the railway use to have a separate power supply network, or was that only when the likes of Southern and LT had their own power stations?
 

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The DC network needs feeding ever couple of miles due to low voltage, but all those substations are fed from trackside cables at (usually) 33kV. So like the 25kV network it takes its power from the outside at relatively few places.
 

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Thanks again to 59CosG95 for the impressive detailed and updated reports.
Indeed, very impressive!

Would it be possible to have a quick summary of the progress of the whole route at a glance, i.e. two thirds of the piles in, one third of the masts up, a tenth of the wiring done? Obviously it would be a very rough estimate but it would help for someone like me who knows very little about the places on the route but likes to keep up with the progress of the electrification.
 

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Didn't the railway use to have a separate power supply network, or was that only when the likes of Southern and LT had their own power stations?

Yes and no, they have a distribution system but they don't have a transmission system as such, although historically they operated a 25Hz generating and distribution system that was entirely independent of the grid, I believe as late as the 70s until the DC substations it was feeding were replaced.
The system having been originally installed for the low frequency AC overhead wiring system that was built in South London.

(And that is an interesting alt-history, what happens if the Southern Adopts 6.7kV 25Hz instead of third rail)
 

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Indeed, very impressive!

Would it be possible to have a quick summary of the progress of the whole route at a glance, i.e. two thirds of the piles in, one third of the masts up, a tenth of the wiring done? Obviously it would be a very rough estimate but it would help for someone like me who knows very little about the places on the route but likes to keep up with the progress of the electrification.
Unfortunately, I know very little about the programme as well - most of my observations are based on scouring Flickr to glory for any signs of change. I'll see what I can manage in September, after the next major blockade.
 

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When is the second platform being built? And wires... also do HSTs, other than diversions, tend to go to Corby?
 

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When is the second platform being built? And wires... also do HSTs, other than diversions, tend to go to Corby?
No plans for a second platform that I'm aware of, and by the look of those twin-track cantilevers they would block it anyway. With all trains terminating bar a handful there's no need. I think the short ex-GC HSTs such as this one regularly run to Corby but someone else will have more details on that.
 

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No plans for a second platform that I'm aware of, and by the look of those twin-track cantilevers they would block it anyway. With all trains terminating bar a handful there's no need. I think the short ex-GC HSTs such as this one regularly run to Corby but someone else will have more details on that.
and with a failure/blockage in the existing platform,then what happens?
we see quite a few bottlenecks at bedford when a unit decides it's not going to play...and they have a choice of 3 platforms(assuming none are occupied which is quite rare)

assuming corby et all are expecting some fairly significant housing growth, then why not future-proof now? the kit is there, then engineers are there.
 
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No plans for a second platform that I'm aware of, and by the look of those twin-track cantilevers they would block it anyway. With all trains terminating bar a handful there's no need. I think the short ex-GC HSTs such as this one regularly run to Corby but someone else will have more details on that.
Shouldn’t be that much of a problem re the TTCs, all they’d need is some anti-climbing guards affixed.
 

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