Validity of two area tickets on through train

I don't understand the above post; clearly there is a misunderstanding as a Travelcard is a London product, and that is exactly my point: there is no "common station" needed in that case.

My point is that people seem to move the goalposts in order to suit a particular arguments but it really isn't as simple as saying these products "don't meet", as if there is some sort of no man's land between WY and GM

yorkie said:

But a Zones 4-6 Travelcard has no common station with a Zones 1-3 Travelcard on most lines.

Arguably the two products do meet at the border; it's just that there is no station at the border. The products are considered to meet when taking a bus.

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I'm going to disagree with you there on London Rail services.

Where the zones meet on the border it is specifically called out on the station concerned, for example on the Piccadilly Line, north section at Bounds Green. Tickets to Zone 3 from Central London are valid, as are tickets to Zone 4 from outer London. Looking at the Northern Line between Finchley Central [4] and East Finchley [3] you could not use a Central London to Zone 3 ticket to travel to Finchley Central, you need another ticket to bridge the gap. Much like Marsden-Greenfield at the TfGM and WYPTE boundary.

Sorry - I thought we were still in the North.
What I'm saying is that on a standalone basis, the Railway T&C would theoretically require the gap (if any) between the last valid station of ticket 1 and the first valid station of ticket 2 to be bridged with a separate ticket.
However either if the specific T&C of BOTH the tickets themselves offers validity that extends beyond the last station in a zone to a common inter-station zonal point (which I'm guessing is the case in London) or if the stated validity of one or other ticket extends to a station where the next ticket is also valid (as with SYPTE + WYPTE), then there is no gap to be bridged. And in the case of GMPTE and WYPTE passes, there appears to be no such extended validity.

Puffing Devil said:

I'm going to disagree with you there on London Rail services.

Where the zones meet on the border it is specifically called out on the station concerned, for example on the Piccadilly Line, north section at Bounds Green. Tickets to Zone 3 from Central London are valid, as are tickets to Zone 4 from outer London. Looking at the Northern Line between Finchley Central [4] and East Finchley [3] you could not use a Central London to Zone 3 ticket to travel to Finchley Central, you need another ticket to bridge the gap. Much like Marsden-Greenfield at the TfGM and WYPTE boundary.

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If a customer holds both a Travelcard covering Zones 1-3 and another Travelcard covering Zones 4-6, there is no requirement for the train to call at a 'common station'; this is not in dispute (although some unknowledgeable RPIs have been known to make a fool of themselves by claiming there is a gap, as happened to @jon0844 : https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...-combined-z123-z456-ticket.47857/#post-719413 ).

yorkie said:

If a customer holds both a Travelcard covering Zones 1-3 and another Travelcard covering Zones 4-6, there is no requirement for the train to call at a 'common station'; this is not in dispute (although some unknowledgeable RPIs have been known to make a fool of themselves by claiming there is a gap, as happened to @jon0844 : https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...-combined-z123-z456-ticket.47857/#post-719413 ).

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But those are two zonal products from the same family and range of tickets in the same ticketing system - the London Travelcards. You are simply continuing your journey within different zones of the same zonal ticketing system.

An M Card and GM County / Train cards are entirely different products which use different zone systems and are not the same zonal ticketing system. When you leave the WYPTE M Card zones you are not continuing your journey into different zones of the same system, you are using an entirely different product from an entirely different system.

In that case I would suggest that NRCOT Condition 14.2 applies, and thus both tickets need to be valid at one station.

"If you are using a Season Ticket, daily Zonal Ticket, or another area based Ticket such as a concessionary pass, ranger or rover in conjunction with another Ticket and the last station at which one Ticket is valid and the first station that the other Ticket is valid are the same, then the train does not need to call at that station for your combination to be valid.".

Solent&Wessex said:

But those are two zonal products from the same family and range of tickets in the same ticketing system - the London Travelcards. You are simply continuing your journey within different zones of the same zonal ticketing system.

An M Card and GM County / Train cards are entirely different products which use different zone systems and are not the same zonal ticketing system. When you leave the WYPTE M Card zones you are not continuing your journey into different zones of the same system, you are using an entirely different product from an entirely different system.

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I made the very same point way back in Post 13 but I don't think yorkie will ever agree with this no matter how many more times this is repeated.

Hence I think it is time to call it a day and agree to disagree.