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nedchester said:
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So have they really cancelled 1F31 to run a trainer? It is now shown on the journeycheck…..
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Could have been that 1F31 was going to be cancelled anyway for some reason so it became a useful path to run the trainer. Frequent with VSTP freights, less so with passengers.
 
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37201xoIM said:
Correct.

And the 397s partly because the 350s are going, but also partly to enable the Liverpool - Glasgow ORCATS raid too. Also as reported elsewhere, TPE (and DfT / "Rail North Partnership") allowed one 350 to be returned a couple of weeks back, on the back of perpetuating the unworkable "8 from 9" diagramming of 350s, necessitating borrowing a 185 from the core network - including putting at risk the strengthening of a key PM-peak working out of Manchester. Bottom line before passengers.
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This forum has been calling for years for direct Liverpool Glasgow services and now it's being called an ORCATS raid...

Can't win.
 
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Spartacus said:
Could have been that 1F31 was going to be cancelled anyway for some reason so it became a useful path to run the trainer. Frequent with VSTP freights, less so with passengers.
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TPE get enough grief for cancelling trains for other reasons but cancelling them for this is pretty poor.
 
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TPE are not benefitting financially from the delay to these trains - if anything, they are losing money due to the lease costs for the Class 68s.
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I appreciate that people are working hard on it, particularly with the resource issues all TOCs have at the moment. And I can understand to a degree how complicated a project like this is, particularly with no cash and trying to do 3 of them at the same time. I bet there’s a fair few sleepless nights and personal frustrations.

On the finances point, by not accepting all the sets (and therefore not paying lease charges on them) TPE are making considerable savings compared to the introduction profile set out in the bid / contract. They are not financially incentivised to run extra and longer trains as that costs money. I appreciate that TOC staff want them in service as much as passengers do, but the finances work differently.

People are not criticising individuals, but have every right to note the impact on passengers of an overly risky and complicated bid, delivered badly, by a skint TOC working in a dysfunctional industry.
 
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BMIFlyer said:
Yes they have.
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Same tomorrow, and Saturday. Unbelievable. Not like its summer and people may wish to visit the seaside or anything.... And people "upstairs" try to justify this, just shows how detached from reality they really are..... complete contempt for fare paying customers and the front line staff having to deal with irate pax who now have to wait for an hour for the next service to Malton, Seamer and Scarborough.
 
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BMIFlyer said:
The only guards qualified to work on this currently are on their booked diagrams.

Believe me it’s not simple just to shuffle people about.
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So why is this training train not carrying a full set of traincrew in training. Driver instructor, driver training, guard instructor, guard training, catering instructor, catering training.
If the training plan was made this way then surely this train could have been in service with passengers.

Why not just admit that TPE are understaffed and have taken on too much with 3 new types all coming on stream together.

I wonder what the passengers waiting for 1E31, cancelled to them, think when they see a TPE train passing through empty, i presume stopping at those stations booked to call.
I'm sorry i always sound so negative on this but it's all having a negative effect.


Xenophon PCDGS said:
We (well, some of us) are thankful for your regular contributions of actual operational reality on this thread.
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Yes and being involved with railway operations myself, you can not always say what is actually operational reality.
 
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Ben Bow said:
Not like its summer and people may wish to visit the seaside or anything....
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Up on the Lancashire coast, with the weather in recent summer weeks, you are right to say "Not like it's summer", because is isn't..<(

It takes me back some sixty years or so when the first thing the local women would take on a seaside visit was a "Pakamac"
 
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Running an ecs training run in the path of a cancelled passenger service does seem to be a bit passenger unfriendly.

Actually, it beggars belief.
 
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Ben Bow said:
Same tomorrow, and Saturday. Unbelievable. Not like its summer and people may wish to visit the seaside or anything.... And people "upstairs" try to justify this, just shows how detached from reality they really are..... complete contempt for fare paying customers and the front line staff having to deal with irate pax who now have to wait for an hour for the next service to Malton, Seamer and Scarborough.
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At least they are doing better than yesterday.
After the 09:41 from Scarborough the next service was 12:45...
 
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xotGD said:
Running an ecs training run in the path of a cancelled passenger service does seem to be a bit passenger unfriendly.

Actually, it beggars belief.
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If you don't have a guard, you can't run the passenger service, and at least this way the driver gets on a training run. These trains are late enough coming into service as it is and you want to make that worse?
 
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naverag said:
If you don't have a guard, you can't run the passenger service, and at least this way the driver gets on a training run. These trains are late enough coming into service as it is and you want to make that worse?
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They had a guard for the 185 (as far as I know) that should have worked the train.

They could have done as training run (calling at the same stations) at night or if they wanted to run the train at that time ensure they had a guard trained on Mk 5 stock.

Cutting a train out to Scarborough (leaving a 2 HOUR gap) is poor in the extreme and shows a lack of understanding of passenger needs.
 
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The_Train said:
Just catching up on things and I have to say that's an awesome image. Looks menacing, just as a good diesel loco should do
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Thanks for that, greatly appreciated. I put my special breathing apparatus on, just in case the fumes were too much;)
 
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Mk5a's dont need anything special they have buffers, shackle and pipes at each end. If brakes are commissioned anything can haul them, I am trying to prove it as I've hauled them with a 68, 66, 70, 47 and 86s just need thec08 and 90 to complete the set!
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The Mk5a can be moved with any locomotive fitted with a draw hook and shackle. However the locomotive will not communicate with the stock via PIS, PADS and fire system.
 
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Thanks for that, greatly appreciated. I put my special breathing apparatus on, just in case the fumes were too much;)
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Haha I gasped at the sight of the 68 sat on the buffers at Piccadilly. Apparently it was like a scene from Dawn of the Dead on the concourse :E
 
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Today's "controversial" move isn't the first, or even second, time this has happened, but since the other moves didn't involve loco-hauled stock, perhaps nobody noticed!
 
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Bearing in mind there has been problems at Dewsbury earlier today, the cancellation of 1F31 is likely as a result of the fallout from the disruption and completely coincidental to this training run. The fact the path is being used means there isn't going to be a struggle to fit through the various pinch points on route. Yes punters are being shafted by the cancellation but that doesn't mean the crews have been deliberately pulled off the service to carry out this training run. I would be very surprised if that was indeed the case
 
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gimmea50anyday said:
Bearing in mind there has been problems at Dewsbury earlier today, the cancellation of 1F31 is likely as a result of the fallout from the disruption and completely coincidental to this training run. The fact the path is being used means there isn't going to be a struggle to fit through the various pinch points on route. Yes punters are being shafted by the cancellation but that doesn't mean the crews have been deliberately pulled off the service to carry out this training run. I would be very surprised if that was indeed the case
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Nono TPE management are evil and/or incompetent and are both trying to ensure that they ruin as many passengers lives as possibe whilst also trying to "steal" money from other operators! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Come on man get with the programme! :lol::lol::lol:
 
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Nono TPE management are evil and/or incompetent and are both trying to ensure that they ruin as many passengers lives as possibe whilst also trying to "steal" money from other operators! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Come on man get with the programme! :lol::lol::lol:
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Love it! :D :lol::lol::lol:
 
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gimmea50anyday said:
Bearing in mind there has been problems at Dewsbury earlier today, the cancellation of 1F31 is likely as a result of the fallout from the disruption and completely coincidental to this training run. The fact the path is being used means there isn't going to be a struggle to fit through the various pinch points on route. Yes punters are being shafted by the cancellation but that doesn't mean the crews have been deliberately pulled off the service to carry out this training run. I would be very surprised if that was indeed the case
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I'll be quite grateful if it's a bit late, as Yorkshire Tiger are doing their best to stop me getting to Huddersfield!
 
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tpjm said:
Whilst I do appreciate the frustration you might feel towards the delay on this project, believe me when I say, as I have done several times in this thread before, TPE (and all the people that make it happen) are not sitting back.

There are people absolutely busting a gut, day in, day out, to bring these trains into traffic ASAP. There are so many complexities that those of you who have never worked within a 'new trains' project will be completely unaware of. So please, have a bit of respect for the people who are working to bring these trains into traffic, as there is not a single person within the organisation who is making decisions to intentionally delay the project.

TPE are not benefitting financially from the delay to these trains - if anything, they are losing money due to the lease costs for the Class 68s.

I find the delay as frustrating as the next person, but I won't stand back and have (external, uninformed) people speak negatively of colleagues and friends who are giving their all to mitigate the things that prevent these trains from entering traffic.
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I might be slightly more understanding if TPE had done anything good or customer focused in the last 3 ½ years. You’ve been fortunate Northern have been slightly worse than you and have therefore taken the flak.

We’re trying just doesn’t cut it with me. It isn’t infant school where teacher says little Johnny is useless but at least he tries. In the real world results matter and, unfortunately for TPE, your company’s speak for themselves.
 
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This afternoon's controversy 5F68, pictured shortly after leaving York, with 68027 pushing from Scarborough to Liverpool.

Photo reduced to (my) screen width and with the 68 almost out of view ;)
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D6700 said:
This afternoon's controversy 5F68, pictured shortly after leaving York, with 68027 pushing from Scarborough to Liverpool.

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No controversy whatsoever! :D

Nice photo, they do look good and next year there might be 200 returning happy holidaymakers on board. 8-) ;);)
 
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