*Intake of breath*
Doable though the distance for passengers to walk! Might need to look at travelators!
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West Coast Partnership: Awarded to First Trenitalia
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Doable though the distance for passengers to walk! Might need to look at travelators!
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They walk down there to board First Class anyway don't they?
Yeah they would be down that end anyway - think they use that area just for their onboard catering storage anyway
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RealTrains07
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So the DofT weren’t involved in the hitachi high speed train program for GWR and East Coast then???
Also their are passengers in the UK who have no other means of transport except the train, even if its just to get to some places so to generalise that everyone always has a second choice of transport if the train service is worse than it was before is just pure speculation
Quite like your first sentence as for the vast majority, the bus will be the only mode of transport and not the train and lets be honest people who do not have another mode of transport such as pedal cycle or car or motorcycle will generally not live in very remote places with no public transport
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And repeat after me:
I must not read the guardian
I must not read the guardian
That's enough politics now
One to push the trolley, or try and hide with the trolley.
exactly what happens at Runcorn. And what used to be the case at Stoke.
If there's a first class lounge to wait in then people are likely to arrive more than a 5 minutes before their train. As such plenty of time to recover from a walk along the platform of ~200m. If walking more than that is a problem then ask for passenger assistance.
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The buses dont go everywhere what about those who have no choice but relying on the train? We cant all avoid awful train companies
There`ll be taking lessons from GWR then.
No you couldn't really. Pretty much every TOC calling at those stations stops there.
That's because it's not been Virgin for years. Let's be honest it's stagecoach!
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I think you need to define "humane" there too. The disappointment you speak of may be wide of the mark as well. From the contacts I have and from what I've heard there's been an inevitably over this for a while..... I do think you need to venture away from this " it's Virgin" approach mate.....it isn't and hasn't been for some time.
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Very pleased to hear that TOCs calling at International and Coventry do indeed stop there...
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That reminds me of the old GWR joke:
"Does this train stop at Paddington?"
"If not, madam, there'll be an almighty crash!"
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And neither do the trains and I feel you are now clutching at straw to make whatever point you were trying to make - none of which has anything to do with FirstTrenitalia winning the West coast - as their trains dont go everywhere either.
You get what I meant. Comparing TOCs stopping at the likes of rugby to those that call at BHI and Cov is a bit strange.
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Why ? - Rugby is another important station.
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If they went on the Birmingham services I wouldn't have a problem. I would recommend they introduce an hourly service to Blackpool calling at Warrington Wigan Preston Lancaster, then the fast Glasgow could only call at Warrington Preston and Carlisle. Oxenholme and Penrith both get fast TPE trains, people headed for London could change at Preston. Warrington has an absurdly small amount of services for the Town it is, so that would benefit them. The Glasgow service would be 10 mins shorter, meaning it would be around 4h 20 mins, around the same as LNER to Edinburgh, and considering Edinburgh is closer to London that is an achievement.
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Im SWR, even worse for us hahaSpend a few weeks as a regular user with GWR and you might well change a few of those points.
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Timetabling wise, maybe not. Reality wise, I think so. More than not I reckon delayed Scotrail services will cause Virgin *First* trains to run slower.
LNER to Edinburgh is mainly going to 4 hours dead when the new, accelerated timetable comes out
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Possibly true, but mainly because not very many people live in "very remote places with no public transport" to start with.
Last week I spent a few days in Winsford, Somerset. Three buses a day, plus one more during school terms. I was talking to somebody who doesn't have a bike or any kind of motorised vehicle. If she needs to go to the doctor she has to catch the bus with a long wait in Dulverton before she can come back, or if she is lucky she may get a lift. A journey to London requires careful planning. In such situations talk about "choice" between modes of transport is unrealistic.
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Of course, forgot that the Azuma will decrease the journey times. That will seriously compete with air travel now.
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You might want to check the location of Lancaster on a map. And in the light of what you discover, you might want to review your recommendation that I've bolded!
I don't think Oxenholme and Penrith people would be particularly happy at your suggestion that they see fewer services and also have to change to get to London. In my experience, Oxenholme in particular sees quite a bit of traffic to London - including people from Windermere who already have to change once at Oxenholme - you'll be making them change twice.
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Will there be any short term changes to the Stafford services? I'm aware that there will be some slight changes from HS2 opening, however what are the plans before this?
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How much of that is SWR's fault though? As I understand it, a lot of what they wanted to deliver turned out not to be possible due electrical supply capacity and other issues that turned up that were NR's responsibility.
I'm sure I recall reading various discussions about Virgin on these forums in the past in which quite a few people suggested that maybe the reason the West Coast franchise appeared well run was because it was operationally a lot simpler than most other franchises, rather than because of Virgin per se. Strange how this narrative seems to change as soon as Virgin no longer have the franchise. (Personally, I don't know and offer no opinions on which version is correct).
Also, I'm sure I also recall various complaints about Motherwell being heavily short-changed by losing most of its London services when the Virgin high frequency timetable came in. Since I believe Motherwell would serve as a railhead for quite a large population area, and in my experience the Virgin Pendolinos aren't massively crowded north of Carlisle, I'd have thought that adding a Motherwell stop ought to be good in terms of providing more journey opportunities.
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