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Transfer Time - Paddington to St Pancras International

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Hi Folks,
Apologies if in the wrong area (Mods, please move if appropriate).

Looking for clarification, please.
First using BRTimes.com and a little unclear.
Transitting from London Paddington - St Pancras International: is the minimum time for connection 51 minutes?
Made up of the following:-
Paddington, 15 min
PAD-STP, 20 min
St Pancras, 15 min
Plus the additional 01 min walk at St Pancras?

I think I've read the info correctly, but a bit uncertain.
(I've personally made it in 20 minutes, train to train, but I have been known to be called exceptional).

Thanks in advance.
 
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51 minutes sounds about right, without checking. Some people can, on a good day, beat the minimum time by some distance but they are clearly not the people the minimum time is provided for.
 
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Haywain said:
51 minutes sounds about right, without checking. Some people can, on a good day, beat the minimum time by some distance but they are clearly not the people the minimum time is provided for.
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The minimum interchange time between Paddington and St Pancras is 45 minutes made up of:

Paddington connection time 15 mins
Paddington - St Pancras by Underground 15 mins
St Pancras connection time 15 mins

If you’re connecting to Eurostar then you must allow an additional 30 mins at St Pancras, giving 75 minutes overall.

Note that electronic journey planners use differential Underground times at different times of the day and week, supposedly to account for the different level of service.
 
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Yeah that sounds right, I've done this journey quite a few times, and I'm always waiting at Paddington or St Pancras for like half an hour anyway, which is pretty good because I can get a coffee etc, and I can be in the front of the "scrum" when my EMT train is announced.
 
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Hadders said:
The minimum interchange time between Paddington and St Pancras is 45 minutes made up of:

Paddington connection time 15 mins
Paddington - St Pancras by Underground 15 mins
St Pancras connection time 15 mins

If you’re connecting to Eurostar then you must allow an additional 30 mins at St Pancras, giving 75 minutes overall.

Note that electronic journey planners use differential Underground times at different times of the day and week, supposedly to account for the different level of service.
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Thanks, but I'm a little confused now.
Can I ask where you get the 15 minutes, PAD - STP (by underground) from?

It would be during the day, on a weekend (Sunday).
 
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800002 said:
Thanks, but I'm a little confused now.
Can I ask where you get the 15 minutes, PAD - STP (by underground) from?

It would be during the day, on a weekend (Sunday).
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The time allowed for the Underground journey varies by time of day - 15mins is weekday daytime, 20 mins evening and Sundays. This shows up if you use the NRE journey planner via PAD with STP as destination.
The odd minute is a bit of a fudge to allow for transfers KGX-STP, and has been discussed recently on the forum but I can't find it (and it doesn't matter much!)
 
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800002 said:
Can I ask where you get the 15 minutes, PAD - STP (by underground) from?
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You can see it in the link below. Note that BRTimes isn't an official site but it uses the same data used by online journey planners.

http://www.brtimes.com/#!board?stn=PAD&show=info&date=20190819

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The odd minute is a bit of a fudge to allow for transfers KGX-STP, and has been discussed recently on the forum but I can't find it (and it doesn't matter much!)
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1 minute is the official interchange time between Kings Cross and St Pancras. It's not relevant for the OP as they are travelling from Paddington to St Pancras, not Kings Cross to St Pancras.
 
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Isn’t there a difference between st Pancras STP and st Pancras international STI in terms of transfer times though? Does the OP want to catch a Eurostar or a domestic service ?
 
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Hadders said:
You can see it in the link below. Note that BRTimes isn't an official site but it uses the same data used by online journey planners.

http://www.brtimes.com/#!board?stn=PAD&show=info&date=20190819
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Brilliant, thank you.
So 15 min tube by weekday / 20 min on Sunday, as described earlier.
(didn't realise it is different according to the day. Knew about the time of day though).
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1 minute is the official interchange time between Kings Cross and St Pancras. It's not relevant for the OP as they are travelling from Paddington to St Pancras, not Kings Cross to St Pancras.
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That is a bit confusing! Thanks for clarifying.
 
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Isn’t there a difference between st Pancras STP and st Pancras international STI in terms of transfer times though? Does the OP want to catch a Eurostar or a domestic service ?
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Doemestic. Sorry for the confusion.
Think I'm all sorted now, thanks all.
 
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Isn’t there a difference between st Pancras STP and st Pancras international STI in terms of transfer times though? Does the OP want to catch a Eurostar or a domestic service ?
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You need to add an additional 30 minutes if taking Eurostar. You can see this in BRtimes as there are different times shown for St Pancras (domestic) and St Pancras (International).
 
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800002 said:
Doemestic. Sorry for the confusion.
Think I'm all sorted now, thanks all.
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That's good :smile:

There used to be a table in the National Rail Timetable showing the minimum interchange times but it was removed, probably due to 'simplification'. Nowadays it's not exactly clear how much time you should allow, especially if travelling late night or early morning. An itinerary generated by a journey planner should always allow sufficient time though.
 
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Yeah, simplification is all good and well, till you need to actually use it.
Needed to double check for someone who was delayed into Paddington this afternoon (PHBT Ealing area).
Couldn't access nre.co.uk when I was looking the itenary.
It's 49 minutes between booked arrival at pad and next departure from St Pancras (so would fail the transfer time, by 1 minute on the sunday).
The delay into pad wasn't enough to knock the itinerary transfer departure, which is 79 minutes after booked arrival at pad.
If that makes sense.
 
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