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Huxio177

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Hi, I want to get Greenwich to London terminals annual train tickets and noticed two options available for the same price:
1) GNW to London Terminals (also valid for travel to or from New Cross or New Cross Gate)
2) GNW to London Terminals (any permitted route)

Does anyone know what is the difference between these two options? It feels like option 2 covers option 1 in the case of traveling to or from London Victoria. As there is no train from Greenwich to Victoria, I can only go to New Cross through Lewisham to Victoria. Unless my understanding is wrong with option 2, I have to travel via Charlton instead of new cross. Appreciate any help, thank you.
 
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Both are valid via any permitted route, the first one is valid from any of Greenwich, New Cross or New Cross Gate. I'm not a routeing guide expert, but I don't think you would be valid travelling via Charlton as you've left zone 2 at that point. If you need to travel to Victoria then you may want to consider a travelcard.

In the past the AAA (also available at) validity would have cost more, but since all fares in zones 1-6 were standardised prior to the introduction of Oyster, they now cost the same.
 

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GNW to VIC would historically have always been via London Br and Peckham Rye, and despite the extra change probably still is!
I can't see any obvious route via NXG, but NWX via Lewisham might be OK.
Like MikeWh I'm uneasy about going via Charlton.
 

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Both are valid via any permitted route, the first one is valid from any of Greenwich, New Cross or New Cross Gate. I'm not a routeing guide expert, but I don't think you would be valid travelling via Charlton as you've left zone 2 at that point. If you need to travel to Victoria then you may want to consider a travelcard.

In the past the AAA (also available at) validity would have cost more, but since all fares in zones 1-6 were standardised prior to the introduction of Oyster, they now cost the same.
Thanks for your reply, does it mean the first one is better than the second one? Victoria is not my work route, only need it occasionally for coach travel.
 

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GNW to VIC would historically have always been via London Br and Peckham Rye, and despite the extra change probably still is!
I can't see any obvious route via NXG, but NWX via Lewisham might be OK.
Like MikeWh I'm uneasy about going via Charlton.
Yes, I thought via Charlton wouldn't be allowed too. And I didn’t know there is another route via London Br and Peckham Rye, that’s good to know, thank you.
 

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I'm not a routeing guide expert, but I don't think you would be valid travelling via Charlton as you've left zone 2 at that point.

Zones are not relevant here, they're not zonal tickets.

That's not to say that via Charlton is valid, but if it isn't that's not because of the travelcard zone it's in.
 

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Hmmm - for the occasional journey to VIC then (AIUI, and subject to comments/corrections), using (1) (and apart any SLL options) you could go GNW-LBG-NXG and on to VIC using through Southern train via Crystal Palace (making three full journeys on your season). Whether this is an optimal route is another matter.
 

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London Group is a routeing point for Greenwich, and Victoria is part of London Group. Using the rules on F7 in the routeing guide, the permitted route is the shortest route or a route which is longer by no more than 3 miles.

The calculator at bukitlawang.com gives the shortest route from Greenwich to London Victoria as being via Blackfriars and Denmark Hill. It lists a route via Charlton and Lewisham as being 1 mile further. I haven't checked that the distances it gives are still accurate, but this suggests that it would be a valid route.

The rail industry web sites all use a different method to calculate the shortest route, so there may not be a way to get any route for a ticket from Greenwich to London Victoria on one of those.
 

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If I was going to Vic from Greenwich I'd just get the DLR to Lewisham for a Vic train or, more likely, just get the first train from Greenwich to Cannon Street or Blackfriars and use the Underground. You'd have to be mad to be looking at NR routes via Denmark Hill, Charlton and Peckham Rye! Just pay the extra for the one-off tube/DLR fare.
 

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So it's about 3.5 miles from Greenwich to London Bridge, vs about 12 miles to London Victoria. Therefore given 12 - 3.5 > 3 I don't think there are valid routes from Greenwich to London Victoria on that ticket.

I would get the AAA New Cross ticket since it gives much more validity for no extra price. (But still not to London Victoria, you'd need one from further out for that.)
 

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Thanks for all the replies, just want to give an update. I asked the station ticket staff this morning, both options are valid to use New Cross - Lewisham - Victoria route, the other route via London Br should be fine too, he didn’t recommend Charlton.

New cross is not far from me, with only one change and shorter journey time than tubes/DLR, it works well for me.
 

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So it's about 3.5 miles from Greenwich to London Bridge, vs about 12 miles to London Victoria. Therefore given 12 - 3.5 > 3 I don't think there are valid routes from Greenwich to London Victoria on that ticket.

A London Terminals ticket is valid by NR to all the "Southern" terminals (plus Vauxhall), not just to the nearest, and pricing reflects that (there used to be a specific South Bermondsey-LBG rate for that reason). So the valid routes are
anything within 3 miles of the shortest to Victoria - which is now (just) via Blackfriars and Denmark Hill.
In the case of NXG it will include the route via Crystal Palace.
 
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