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08:30 WAT - PMH is running using the stock off the 0651 from Southampton Parkway - Waterloo.
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Class 442s - Now at the end of the road and to be withdrawn permanently
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Goldfish62
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Is this still a 442 working?
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Thumper1127
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Should be, the 0651 went up as a class 9, suggesting it is 442 as booked. the 08:30 ex WAT is coming down as 9P19.
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Currently 10L at Haslemere,though this seems to be because of the late running stopper it follows into Haslemere.
Let's hope 9P19 is till a 442 (I can see no reason why not) and that it gets to Portsmouth harbour unhindered any further.
A failure of both the up and down inaugural passenger services on the Portsmouth direct would be a tad embarrassing.
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I really hope that this service wasn't full of media and 'dignitaries'.
There never used to be any room on it. I believe it’s the only service on the SWR network with staff leisure restrictions.
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It was any form of staff travel was restricted north of Haslemere only. Restriction now removed now it has a relief service.
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Nope, the PIGs very much had a soft launch afterall they’ve been running for a couple of months already.
theironroad
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Very glad to hear it.
Any idea what the door issue was? Was it an individual door? Sdo? Interlock?
The fratton stop would have needed to be sdo, so wonder if something happened after that...
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RTT doesn’t provide the answer as far as I can see, but where did 9B16 go after terminating at Havant?
Guessing an ECS to Clapham Yard maybe, so that it can come out to form the evening peak down service to Poole as booked?
Guessing an ECS to Clapham Yard maybe, so that it can come out to form the evening peak down service to Poole as booked?
It went back to Fratton, and now is just arriving into Clapham Yard now on this ECS http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O32835/2019/08/19/advanced
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Cheers. So it is at least back to where it should be on the planned diagram. (Interesting that it went via Eastleigh, perhaps easier to find a spare path that way?)
Are the 442s still resticted from the slows (ptfm 5) at Woking? Using platform 4 creates a conflict with the up Portsmouth at Woking junction. Seems a bit surprising to introduce them with this issue. Although I notice the diagram they've gone with first avoids any kff peak xx30 workings fom Waterloo whuch have the half minute issue at the junction (the xx00 have 1h) so seem they possibly consider it acceptable?
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Very pleased to see the pair of 442s coming through Portsmouth & Southsea. 
Goldfish62
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Just been on one. Lovely.
Another observation on today's running the 442s don't seem to be able to keep to the current timings losing about a minute per stop according to RTT. Looks like extended dwell times compared to desiros but any ideas of this a lack of crew familiarity, unit issues today or a tsr and also whether the traction upgrades might help with this eventually?
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Probably partly crew familiarity. It will be interesting to analyse sectional timings once a full service has run for a week or so. Certainly the one minute allowed at Godalming in the up direction is tight (it's tight with other services as well due to the curvature of the platform).
I doubt that it would be possible to increase the maximum output power given that an REP (3200hp) was the maximum load for a single train on the power limited 3rd rail low voltage lines.
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Well, with the one I was on earlier the guard was taking about 10-15 seconds to release the doors and there was a level crossing issue at Milford which cost about 2-3 minutes.
Not really the guards fault, as the local door takes forever to release, both the cab end doors and the plug door in coach 3 are slow to open. The guard then needs to ensure the train is accommodated correctly.
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Yet on my return trip the guard was releasing the doors within 2-3 seconds.
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Depends on the guard, I've signed the units since December last year and did a number of test runs on them before entering passenger service, so I'm quite familiar with the traction and as a result I'm confident in what I'm doing. On the other you may get a guard who only signed them last week and today is his first day on the train in anger. Can make all the difference.
If management realised that a full door release was being put up after 3 seconds of the train coming to a stop, they’d certainly dig deeper. SWR retain SWTs policy of release if certain, but that doesn’t cover guards in the event of stop short door releases.
As said there’s varying degrees of confidence, in the same way some drivers can drive them very well, and some are still learning the knack of them.
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I'm not with you. What would they be digging deeper on? As you state, they have a policy of quick release if the guard is certain, and in my experience that applies to about 50%.
I observed the guard at Petersfield where I boarded. He had opened the cab door, checked the platforming and released the doors all within three seconds.
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Yes, I quite agree. That's more than likely the reason.
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Had my first couple of trips on them today. I was very impressed. It's certainly a high quality refurbishment, against my expectations and in contrast to the unfinished job on the Desiros. The Chapman seats using new Transcal cushions are the most comfortable "new" seats I've come across.
There were three French blokes sat near me. One wondered whether it was a new train and another said that it was very nice, "and I've never said that before about an English train".
There were three French blokes sat near me. One wondered whether it was a new train and another said that it was very nice, "and I've never said that before about an English train".
theironroad
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One issue which may well raise its head is passenger familiarity with the fact the the leading passenger doors are not available for use to board or alight when the leading driving cab is in use.
If people are prepaed to leave the train before it arrives a a station then they should realise in time, but the last minute people may panic and not reach the available door before it's locked....cue passcom being operated....
If people are prepaed to leave the train before it arrives a a station then they should realise in time, but the last minute people may panic and not reach the available door before it's locked....cue passcom being operated....
I was not aware of this being an issue on GTR... Is this something that has changed since returning to SWR/what is the reasoning behind this?
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