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Scotrail Class 385 Discussion
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DaStripedCgull
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Forgot Shotts wasn't every half-hourly, will this affect other services then or only Shotts?
nigelsporne
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042 with 105 on E to G circuit today. Does that make 64?
It does
hexagon789
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Well it's is twice-hourly, but the calling pattern means it's not at half-hourly intervals.
Just a gentle reminder that any discussion regarding timetabling should be posted in the Allocations, Diagrams & Timetables section (or Speculative Ideas if it's speculative in nature)
This thread is to discuss the construction, delivery and introduction of Class 385s only.
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This thread is to discuss the construction, delivery and introduction of Class 385s only.
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scotrail158713
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Just from Glasgow though. They’re half-hourly from Edinburgh (25&55ish).
hexagon789
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Only Edinburgh really, they start spreading out to unequal intervals as you get further from Edinburgh.
The only way to make it even intervals throughout would be to either make them both all stops (unlikely and rather slow) or spread the lesser stops between the two services.
The 385s could probably manage the latter option in not too much longer than the present fast service.
scotrail158713
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I’ve got no issue with the current timetabling. I don’t know the ins and outs of everything on the railways but I’ve never understood why clockface timetables are preferred. Is it just to be aesthetically pleasing? I think most passengers couldn’t really care if their hourly train left at XX.03 one hour and then XX.05 the next - they just don’t want 90 minute gaps and then 30 minute gaps in timetables (e.g. 10.05, 11.34, 12.03 etc - they’d prefer 10.05, 11.03, 12.04 etc).
Sorry, rant over.
(And I've gone right off topic)snookertam
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The clockface style timetable is preferred as it's easier for passengers to remember - and railway staff for that matter too - and means that intervals between services are consistent. It's probably easier to plan around also as trains will pass through junctions at set intervals.
On the Shotts line timetable, the issue with making it clockface throughout means that you lose the ability to have the express service, unless there's some infrastructure improvements.
On the Shotts line timetable, the issue with making it clockface throughout means that you lose the ability to have the express service, unless there's some infrastructure improvements.
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Altnabreac
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Scotrail posted on Twitter to say a 64th unit has been "delivered" by Hitachi.
https://twitter.com/ScotRail/status/1164162586688065543
This will be 385042 being taken into service rather than another unit arriving at Craigentinny.
Means the only unit in Scotland that hasn't yet entered service is 385102 and there are 5 remaining at Newton Aycliffe awaiting the journey north.
https://twitter.com/ScotRail/status/1164162586688065543
This will be 385042 being taken into service rather than another unit arriving at Craigentinny.
Means the only unit in Scotland that hasn't yet entered service is 385102 and there are 5 remaining at Newton Aycliffe awaiting the journey north.
Typhoon_93
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385043 noted outside the test shed at Aycliffe this morning with the delivery panel fitted so should be the next to move north.
Altnabreac
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Interesting.
The previous expectation seemed to be that 385102 would be next to head north and 385001/002 would be ahead of 385043/044.
Combined with the slow down in deliveries you might speculate that some of the work done in Italy isn't quite up to scratch and more remedial work is needed on the four units that have come back from Italy? We'll see in due course I guess.
That would be some speculation tbh. The factory there is well established with a full order book and one of those returned from Italy - 385102 - is in Scotland already. More likely that the deliveries are being staggered to ensure a steady introduction and the removal of the remaining 314's imho. No rush as two of the longer platforms at Queen Street aren't scheduled to be done until October and the timetable change isn't until December.
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Was quite rare to have a single 158 in peak times unless there was an issue. 158s ran throughout the day but closer to peak time it usually switched to a 170. There were also double 158s and 158+170 diagrams at peak times too so it could range from 2 to 5 cars. There was even at least one 6-car 170 diagram at night time (on the weekend I think).
Now that over 40% of passengers have been taken off, I think a 3-car 385 would suffice. If it was still the old calling pattern, you’d probably have to consider a 6-car as a 4-car might have been a tight squeeze.
PaxVobiscum
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I had the (declassified) First Class compartment to myself on a Queen Street to Edinburgh via Falkirk Grahamston the other day. There's not such a huge difference really (a socket each and 2+1 seating is about it) and I don't fancy the airline seat next to the door as in the rather blurred photo below.
Kite159
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Ideal seat for someone wanting to do work on a laptop without the worry of sunlight shining on the screen
GLC
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I’ve finally taken a peak (ish) 385 through to Edinburgh today. Overall I’m very impressed now with the service these 385s offer. Acceleration out of Queen Street was far stronger than I was expecting (certainly makes a change since I mostly get a 385 around the Cathcart circle these days), catering trolley going up and down the aisles. Train full of happy punters for the festival. I thought it made a very good advert for Scotrail. Queen Street is coming along leaps and bounds too, the new canopy already makes the station feel so much bigger and “proper”. And the off peak price for a return is very reasonable. Thumbs up from me!
scotrail158713
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It was either this thread or the HST one but somebody said that when Scotrail do things well, they do them very well - I think your experience is exactly what they meant.
(Unfortunately when they do things badly, they’re done really badly)
NorthClyde320
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I thought they may have delivered the remaining 4, 3 car sets in pairs to save time/more trips.
Does anyone know if the recently introduced 385's have replaced any of the 318/320 units on Lanark or Inverclyde or are they just providing extra capacity while the Edinburgh Fringe is still on?
I'm pretty sure it didn't take this long to deliver the Class 380s when new and they had to be delivered all the way from Germany yet it's taking months to send one unit at a time from Newcastle. The 385 deliveries have been a shambles from start to finish.
NorthClyde320
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I know. Prior to May timetable change 2 or 3 units a week were being delivered, since the start of May 7 units have been delivered.
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More likely milky coffee. The carpets are almost solid, so chances are it's the sugars and fats that are congealing and turning black with bacteria and mould. A black coffee would stain and evaporate.
The bins are really poor. Too narrow for my M&S salad bowl.
Overall, I'm liking the electrics though. Seven minutes between Stirling and Sunny-D with a stop in Bridge of Allan - I can remember the days of the 101s crawl out of BofA barely reaching jogging pace by the time they got to Kippenross.
Bring on the wires to the slog up to Perth.
DaStripedCgull
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The 385s were on Lanark before the Fringe, not sure about Inverclyde but Lanark had 385s since May. There is still one class 320/318 on the Lanark services.
Correct me if I’m wrong but what I think @NorthClyde320 was asking was how many of the 7 units that have been delivered since the May timetable change are now in revenue earning service?
Not the case. A phased successful introduction combined with the withdrawal of the 314's. No rush to have them before they're needed. The whole rollout and improvements elsewhere are all on schedule. EGIP is a hugely successful project.
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