Terry Tait
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Staying in South London just now and having used 376s recently they are really looking tired, I was wondering if they are due a midlife refurbishment?
There isn't much point as they due to leave after the new South Eastern franchise.Staying in South London just now and having used 376s recently they are really looking tired, I was wondering if they are due a midlife refurbishment?
Are they?There isn't much point as they due to leave after the new South Eastern franchise.
Well it's up to the new South Eastern franchise.Are they?
The award of which has been cancelled and yet another Direct Award made for the next 2 years or so.Well it's up to the new South Eastern franchise.
The award of which has been cancelled and yet another Direct Award made for the next 2 years or so.
Isn't it then being run the same way as LNER for a bit.Extended to April next year. 8 months.
Isn't it then being run the same way as LNER for a bit.
Oh alright, not sure where I recall that from themNo, not at all.
Oh alright, not sure where I recall that from them
LNER wasn't a direct award, they took over from VTEC who were removed. South Eastern haven't been removed, it's just as you were but with an extension. Similar to CrossCountry and countless others recently!
Roger Ford in the latest Modern Railways bought today writes about whether the South Eastern franchise should be taken over by the operator of last resort in the same way as LNER took over from VTEC.
This is indeed what I thought was happening yet I simply don't know where I got the idea from, I'm backtracking on articles and threads etc, I haven't read the September addition of modern railways yet. Thanks to @Darandio for the explanation though.
My logic to bring this into this thread was that if they already knew who was operating the franchise after April, (themselves) they could begin to sort what stock would be replaced and so what stock was worth refurbishing. I'm certainly loosing it!
It's almost like deja vu to when Connex was stripped of the franchise and the government ran it for a while.
These would be perfect for Southern, Theres currently 46 class 455 there, all 36 376's could replace them with the other 10 can be 377/6There isn't much point as they due to leave after the new South Eastern franchise.
And where would those extra 377/6 come from as Bombardier no longer make Electrostars? The routes would also need some serious upgrades for 10 car trains.These would be perfect for Southern, Theres currently 46 class 455 there, all 36 376's could replace them with the other 10 can be 377/6
And where would those extra 377/6 come from as Bombardier no longer make Electrostars? The routes would also need some serious upgrades for 10 car trains.
Only a small number of 455 services could easily be replaced with 10car ones.
These would be perfect for Southern, Theres currently 46 class 455 there, all 36 376's could replace them with the other 10 can be 377/6
You need to add the availability of 30 x 707s. The DfT will not allow them to fall into disuse and they will be deployed on either Southern or South Eastern. DfT have also taken ownership of the Class 365s so clearly have a plan for them. Expect a plan in a few months for a rolling stock reshuffle. The DfT will be keen to be able to say "we're adding xxx seats" to services at a minimal cost as part of a plan for Britain to distract us from the impending economic meltdown and constitutional crisis.
I'm having trouble guessing where the extra 377/6s will come from so do enlighten us with out suggest more will be built.Guess...
Exactly, DfT effectively got diddled on the 707s as an extortionate mid franchise change at very high cost with underwhelming performance compared to other current options hence all down to Angel to do some magic on spec/(upgrade) or price or both.36 5 car 458s as well!
But then I'm not sure the DfT will care. If the new franchisee chooses to buy new stock instead of reusing existing ones, why would they intervene?
I'm having trouble guessing where the extra 377/6s will come from so do enlighten us with out suggest more will be built.
Bonkers and completely unecessary.No, heres my suggestions, you may disagree on it.
376 for metro plus 10 or more class 377/6 converted to metro style units to work along with the 376 which will be more than enough to replace all the 455's. The 377/6 thats being converted can be replace by other 377's or some or all 387 from GN and the units from GN can be replaced by 379's.
Or perhaps compleatly rebuilt the 376 with a diesel engine on the middle car (bi mode) and use them on the Uckfield and Ashford line.
No, heres my suggestions, you may disagree on it.
376 for metro plus 10 or more class 377/6 converted to metro style units to work along with the 376 which will be more than enough to replace all the 455's. The 377/6 thats being converted can be replace by other 377's or some or all 387 from GN and the units from GN can be replaced by 379's.
Or perhaps compleatly rebuilt the 376 with a diesel engine on the middle car (bi mode) and use them on the Uckfield and Ashford line.