• Our booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk (powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

First Eastern Counties

BVW

Member
Joined
30 Jan 2019
Messages
42
Location
53 miles west of Venus
I haven't heard anything official on this, but I've heard from a couple of sources that some of the Enviro 400s due for displacement from Excel are due to move to Lowestoft, which will cascade the AU58-reg B9TLs to Norwich for the Orange Line 21/22 service.

Do we know how many Scania’s have been ordered? I’m assuming only enough to cover the western end XL.

So that should then cascade the enviros to cover the entire eastern X1/X11 section and the X2?

Whilst the current X2/X11 58 plate Gemini’s are in good nick they must have clocked some miles now! I’d have thought these will be pushed onto the ‘Coastal Clipper’ 1/1A and 99 routes - probably repainted too into a dedicated livery.
 
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

TheGrandWazoo

Veteran Member
Joined
18 Feb 2013
Messages
20,039
Location
Somerset with international travel (e.g. across th
I haven't heard anything official on this, but I've heard from a couple of sources that some of the Enviro 400s due for displacement from Excel are due to move to Lowestoft, which will cascade the AU58-reg B9TLs to Norwich for the Orange Line 21/22 service.
My thoughts were, perhaps simplistically, that something like that would happen so the e400s would replace the B9s and they’d be cascaded to Norwich for whatever route and allow the replacement of some ex London stuff.

FEC seems to be one of a few First firms that would require some updating but has to take a back seat to Glasgow, Leeds and Bristol.
 

buslad1988

Member
Joined
28 Dec 2018
Messages
352
I haven't heard anything official on this, but I've heard from a couple of sources that some of the Enviro 400s due for displacement from Excel are due to move to Lowestoft, which will cascade the AU58-reg B9TLs to Norwich for the Orange Line 21/22 service.

Thanks for that! Does make the most logical sense I guess. Will be interesting to see if they change the excel livery for the new fleet or not.

Does seem funny that after all those demonstrators they had on the route including coaches etc. that they’ve basically stuck to what they’ve already got - Scania/ADL combo.
 

TheGrandWazoo

Veteran Member
Joined
18 Feb 2013
Messages
20,039
Location
Somerset with international travel (e.g. across th
Thanks for that! Does make the most logical sense I guess. Will be interesting to see if they change the excel livery for the new fleet or not.

Does seem funny that after all those demonstrators they had on the route including coaches etc. that they’ve basically stuck to what they’ve already got - Scania/ADL combo.
Aren’t the current ones fully ADL rather than Scanias?
 

buslad1988

Member
Joined
28 Dec 2018
Messages
352
Aren’t the current ones fully ADL rather than Scanias?

Oops apologies! I thought the current fleet were Scania! Just checked and you’re right they are fully ADL.

Scania/ADL combo was available at the time of purchasing them. Strange they didn’t specify them for the heavy work they are doing, Stagecoach were standardising on them for long distance work at the time.
 

F Great Eastern

Established Member
Joined
2 Apr 2009
Messages
3,589
Location
East Anglia
Just saw an Ipswich B7RLE in the new Ipswich Reds Felixstowe Flyer livery, looks stunning!

It's similar to the standard Ipswich Reds livery but with blue branding above the windows and along the lower sides of the bus, really really nice.
 

buslad1988

Member
Joined
28 Dec 2018
Messages
352
Just saw an Ipswich B7RLE in the new Ipswich Reds Felixstowe Flyer livery, looks stunning!

It's similar to the standard Ipswich Reds livery but with blue branding above the windows and along the lower sides of the bus, really really nice.

Second that! They sure do look nice... be interesting to see if some of the ALX400’s gain ‘Felixstowe Flyers’ branding as these get used heavily on 75-77 services.

So ‘Shuttle 60’s’ and ‘Felixstowe Flyer’ branding so far - expecting something for the 66 then too.

https://mobile.twitter.com/clivenixon/status/1146484339703726080
 

F Great Eastern

Established Member
Joined
2 Apr 2009
Messages
3,589
Location
East Anglia
Second vehicle is now in Felixstowe Flyers livery,

In others news, First ipswich are cancelling the 68 from Ipswich to Kesgrave from September.
 

buslad1988

Member
Joined
28 Dec 2018
Messages
352
Second vehicle is now in Felixstowe Flyers livery,

In others news, First ipswich are cancelling the 68 from Ipswich to Kesgrave from September.

Interesting (although no big surprise) the 68 is being withdrawn; hopefully they’ll be able to use that vehicle elsewhere... maybe to improve the Stowmarket services? Guess they’ll be other service changes from the same date.

I did see a suggestion somewhere online that they should brand the 88/89 as ‘Stowmarket Flyers’ probably not the best marketing idea as they take over an hour to get there!
 

F Great Eastern

Established Member
Joined
2 Apr 2009
Messages
3,589
Location
East Anglia
Interesting (although no big surprise) the 68 is being withdrawn; hopefully they’ll be able to use that vehicle elsewhere... maybe to improve the Stowmarket services? Guess they’ll be other service changes from the same date.

I did see a suggestion somewhere online that they should brand the 88/89 as ‘Stowmarket Flyers’ probably not the best marketing idea as they take over an hour to get there!

Personally I've never took the bus to Stowmarket from Ipswich, the train is a far more attractive option and much much faster. Sure the Stations in Ipswich and Stowmarket are a little walk from the town centre, but it's really not that bad to get a bus.

Guess for Stowmarket they could bring Superoute 88 back with the cream livery with the blue wavy 88s they had years back, but I guess they probably won't bother. The 66s should for sure get branded up though if you ask me.
 

stuart81

Member
Joined
9 Oct 2015
Messages
52
Location
Ipswich
Absolutely stunned the 66 will no longer go around Martlesham Heath, surely the beginning of the end for the service in it's current format
 

buslad1988

Member
Joined
28 Dec 2018
Messages
352
Absolutely stunned the 66 will no longer go around Martlesham Heath, surely the beginning of the end for the service in it's current format
Must admit I was surprised at how drastic these cuts are; leaving some estates unserved that have had EC/First buses for decades... doubt SCC are happy considering they are already consulting on further cuts to bus subsidies too making any replacements unlikely/impossible.

The 66 is pretty quiet around Martlesham Heath although a reduction to every 30 minutes would have sufficed (although this doesn’t work with the 20 min frequency).

Stowmarket whilst greatly improving journey times sees the removal of all services around housing schemes in Needham Market and parts of Stowmarket... they tried this before a few years ago but bowed down to pressure from locals and re-introduced the links.

Rendlesham also loses the Park & Ride extension so down to 3-4 buses a day; at least Framlingham gains a shopper service!

The changes they made to Felixstowe’s last year have obviously been successful as these see no changes this time round.

Looking at the timetables they seem to be saving a bus each from the 64, 66, 68, 88/89 and 800... hopefully they’ll be able to keep hold of the spare enviro 300’s!

Meanwhile they’ve gained lucrative Suffolk One college contracts SO1/2/3 resulting in Volvo B7TL 32651 transferring from Essex. They also won the contract from IBC to provide buses/drivers for the Ed Sheeran concert Park & Rides for 4 days... so some nice little earners there!
 

stuart81

Member
Joined
9 Oct 2015
Messages
52
Location
Ipswich
I'd be surprised if the 66 continues to Martlesham in 6 months time. Call me cynical but does the drop in PVR for the 66, 64, 88 etc nicely match the Suffolk One contract gain.....
 

F Great Eastern

Established Member
Joined
2 Apr 2009
Messages
3,589
Location
East Anglia
Meanwhile they’ve gained lucrative Suffolk One college contracts SO1/2/3 resulting in Volvo B7TL 32651 transferring from Essex. They also won the contract from IBC to provide buses/drivers for the Ed Sheeran concert Park & Rides for 4 days... so some nice little earners there!

This is it?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/86020...Q2E-7wFWVR-bCQpzn-5iVkUC-fwucgy-wo4FBd-m3FQMp

Jaysus, that should be the first decker to be repainted, the lower off-side is heavily neglected and could probably do with some panel work as well.
 

buslad1988

Member
Joined
28 Dec 2018
Messages
352
I'd be surprised if the 66 continues to Martlesham in 6 months time. Call me cynical but does the drop in PVR for the 66, 64, 88 etc nicely match the Suffolk One contract gain.....
The 66 will always go to Martlesham Tesco, BT as those areas are rapidly expanding with retail and BT staff bring in substantial revenue from passes etc. Thousands of new homes are also due to be built in the area.

Such a shame in its heyday the 66 was 24 hours and buses every 12-15 minutes throughout most of the day. SCC are partly to blame for the decline too IMO when they opened the Park & Ride, never renewed the RTPI screens and didn’t maintain the upkeep of bus stops/shelters etc. meanwhile First updated the fleet in 2000 and 2003.

Contracts SO1/2/3 require a bus each so yes numbers have been made there!
 

MrGriff500

Member
Joined
7 Jul 2018
Messages
61
I haven't heard anything official on this, but I've heard from a couple of sources that some of the Enviro 400s due for displacement from Excel are due to move to Lowestoft, which will cascade the AU58-reg B9TLs to Norwich for the Orange Line 21/22 service.

No, I can’t see that happening. I think the Orange Line Tridents and the B7TL are going to stay. If anything, First will use the displaced Enviros and B9TLs to replace the expiring W-DWX/XBD/SRP B7TL’s. Most likely a shift will occur with the W/51/53 reg ALX400’s that will end in the scrapping of the W regs. I’m not sure whether the displacement of the current Excel fleet will affect the Open Top Trident 32905 at Great Yarmouth (most likely it will stay in service)

Likelihood is only Norwich’s three 51-reg Tridents will be going soon. The others, especially the refurbished ones, should last a few years longer. Especially as according to a source, the majority of the 02 reg Tridents have been made to comply with Euro 6 now.

Oh yeah, if you guys are interested, a Norwich saloon is in Ipswich covering reprints, it’s either 66984 or 66824 can’t remember.
 

F Great Eastern

Established Member
Joined
2 Apr 2009
Messages
3,589
Location
East Anglia
Oh yeah, if you guys are interested, a Norwich saloon is in Ipswich covering reprints, it’s either 66984 or 66824 can’t remember.

66824 and didn't sound too healthy when it went past me this lunchtime, alarms going off and engine pretty roary. Sounds about as bad as that battered Essex decker looks.
 

buslad1988

Member
Joined
28 Dec 2018
Messages
352
Am really looking forward to seeing the new excel deckers and I hear they have ordered the city bodies. Anyone know when they are actually due?

Do we also know if FEC are gaining any stock coming out of Manchester when Diamond take over and gradually replace the fleet over the coming months?
 

MrGriff500

Member
Joined
7 Jul 2018
Messages
61
Am really looking forward to seeing the new excel deckers and I hear they have ordered the city bodies. Anyone know when they are actually due?

Do we also know if FEC are gaining any stock coming out of Manchester when Diamond take over and gradually replace the fleet over the coming months?

Yes, Norwich has gained 3 2005 B7RLEs, being 66864, 66865 and 66870. All are now in service and are the only RLE’s in standard First Olympia Livery!

The new Excel deckers will be welcome, though the old ones probably wont be needed in Norwich yet. The W Reg B7TLs and the B7Ls are a bigger priority than the Presidents.
 

TheGrandWazoo

Veteran Member
Joined
18 Feb 2013
Messages
20,039
Location
Somerset with international travel (e.g. across th
Yes, Norwich has gained 3 2005 B7RLEs, being 66864, 66865 and 66870. All are now in service and are the only RLE’s in standard First Olympia Livery!

The new Excel deckers will be welcome, though the old ones probably wont be needed in Norwich yet. The W Reg B7TLs and the B7Ls are a bigger priority than the Presidents.
Is it the end for some of the B7Ls in Norwich with the receipt of these B7RLEs?

FEC is one of those OpCos that have a lot of aged deckers to get shot of (along with Essex).
 

MrGriff500

Member
Joined
7 Jul 2018
Messages
61
Is it the end for some of the B7Ls in Norwich with the receipt of these B7RLEs?

FEC is one of those OpCos that have a lot of aged deckers to get shot of (along with Essex).

Most likely, yes. Chances are vehicles 66340, 66343 and 66344 will be the first to go as they have the older Livery, plus 66344 has Great Yarmouth vinyls on it still.
 

MrGriff500

Member
Joined
7 Jul 2018
Messages
61
Ladies and Gents, I believe this will be of big interest. The final withdrawal of the W Reg B7TL ALX400s appears to have begun.

The first vehicle to be withdrawn is 30886 (W741DWX) at Great Yarmouth. It is in the reserve fleet but is not really going to see much more use. It’s place has been taken by Lowestoft 30913 (W768DWX), I will keep you updated on any more withdrawals. I believe there is a total of around 12 B7TLs of the W-DWX, W-XBD and W-SRP types. The YJ51’s shouldn’t be getting withdrawn with these fortunately, they will stay for a little longer until the B7Ls have gone.
 

83G/84D

Established Member
Joined
28 Oct 2011
Messages
5,960
Location
Cornwall
Yes, Norwich has gained 3 2005 B7RLEs, being 66864, 66865 and 66870. All are now in service and are the only RLE’s in standard First Olympia Livery!

The new Excel deckers will be welcome, though the old ones probably wont be needed in Norwich yet. The W Reg B7TLs and the B7Ls are a bigger priority than the Presidents.

When are the new Excel buses expected to be delivered?
 

buslad1988

Member
Joined
28 Dec 2018
Messages
352
So with the oldest B7L’s and B7TL’s disappearing guess that means the heritage liveries are on their way out too.
 

MrGriff500

Member
Joined
7 Jul 2018
Messages
61
So with the oldest B7L’s and B7TL’s disappearing guess that means the heritage liveries are on their way out too.

Maybe, maybe not. So far only 30886 is withdrawn. Most likely the Transport Museum in Lowestoft will be interested in saving heritage 32059 and 30888. I’d assume all of Great Yarmouth and Lowestofts fleets will be sorted first, meaning B7TLs, B7Ls, and Darts (not for a while) should be the next few buses to go along with the B7Ls from Norwich.

New Excel buses will probably be next year so who knows, all fleets in Norwich, Excel, Lowestoft, Ipswich and Yarmouth are still working! Ipswich Reds project will also probably slow the withdrawals.
 

buslad1988

Member
Joined
28 Dec 2018
Messages
352
Maybe, maybe not. So far only 30886 is withdrawn. Most likely the Transport Museum in Lowestoft will be interested in saving heritage 32059 and 30888. I’d assume all of Great Yarmouth and Lowestofts fleets will be sorted first, meaning B7TLs, B7Ls, and Darts (not for a while) should be the next few buses to go along with the B7Ls from Norwich.

New Excel buses will probably be next year so who knows, all fleets in Norwich, Excel, Lowestoft, Ipswich and Yarmouth are still working! Ipswich Reds project will also probably slow the withdrawals.

Guess that makes sense. Probably be a few withdrawals from Ipswich as well with the impending service cuts... see Great Yarmouth has some coming up too (supposedly for winter timetables - although this hasn’t happened in previous years?).

Change of topic entirely - I’m surprised they’ve never thought about bringing in a fleet of Solo’s to return to minibus operation the Lowestoft and some Great Yarmouth town services. Maybe Felixstowe and Woodbridge too!? Would keep costs down - never understood why they didn’t bring in Solo’s to directly replace the Mercedes in the early 2000’s. I know Bury St Edmunds got the Dart MPD’s but didn’t happen anywhere else.
 

83G/84D

Established Member
Joined
28 Oct 2011
Messages
5,960
Location
Cornwall
Thanks for that! Does make the most logical sense I guess. Will be interesting to see if they change the excel livery for the new fleet or not.

Does seem funny that after all those demonstrators they had on the route including coaches etc. that they’ve basically stuck to what they’ve already got - Scania/ADL combo.

Am really looking forward to seeing the new excel deckers and I hear they have ordered the city bodies. Anyone know when they are actually due?

Do we also know if FEC are gaining any stock coming out of Manchester when Diamond take over and gradually replace the fleet over the coming months?

Found this elsewhere regarding the replacement Excel (X1) buses:-



At last an update for you, things having been a little busy here so far this Summer. The new buses are now expected to arrive in November and various rumours are circulating about them. Livery options considered appear to have initially been white, but more recently green has been suggested. Following the announcement that First are to progressively sell off their bus division, rumours also suggest that the new arrivals will be simply branded 'Eastern Counties' - now there's a blast from the past. I am told that buses of this type are currently being used on the route to Glasgow Airport, but that these are rather sumptuous inside with tables upstairs, something we don't expect on the XL batch. Air conditioning, rather than air chill - I'm not sure what the difference is - will be fitted however, but a change of plan means that once again seatbelts will not.


http://fecx1news.blogspot.com/
 

MrGriff500

Member
Joined
7 Jul 2018
Messages
61
Everyone, I bring unfortunate news from Norwich. Volvo B7TL 32106 (LT02ZCV) was involved in an accident on the 13 last night.:( She had been written off and deemed “not worth repairing” unfortunately and will be going for scrap very soon. This also means that with the transfer of 66328 to Great Yarmouth and a few more Norwich vehicles off the road there is a notable vehicle shortage in Norwich. Several vehicles are also in dire condition, with Turquoise Volvos on the verge of collapsing from overuse and aggressive driving needed for the 13.

On the positive side, Orange Line 32101 will be returning after suffering a similar accident a few months ago.
 

Top