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Lothian Buses and ECB Discussion

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I've often thought that a device might be fitted to bus systems that can record obstructive parking etc. It need simply store the time of the incident, the footage from the time then could get automatically sent to the Council to be issued with a ticket as normal.
 
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Issuing tickets to non authorised vehicles from accessing Princes Street would be a start. Although I don't blame a lot of lost tourists, the signs, particularly westbound are exceptionally poor and easy to miss.

I still don't agree with taxis having full rights to Princes Street, or bus lanes for that matter. If carrying a disabled passenger perhaps, but beyond that no.
 
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scosutsut said:
Issuing tickets to non authorised vehicles from accessing Princes Street would be a start. Although I don't blame a lot of lost tourists, the signs, particularly westbound are exceptionally poor and easy to miss.

I still don't agree with taxis having full rights to Princes Street, or bus lanes for that matter. If carrying a disabled passenger perhaps, but beyond that no.
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Indeed, I don't get why there aren't bus lane style markings between Waverley Bridge - S. St. David's Street like there is near S. Charlotte Street. I've seen a few people miss signs and then try to turn left when they get to the no entry signs at The Mound.
 
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Indeed, I don't get why there aren't bus lane style markings between Waverley Bridge - S. St. David's Street like there is near S. Charlotte Street. I've seen a few people miss signs and then try to turn left when they get to the no entry signs at The Mound.
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Dare I say the council were too busy running around putting 20 signs and paint everywhere... And look how well that worked. Did Lothian retime any routes on the back of that actually or did they not even pretend they were going to pay attention to it like the vast majority of the other road users?
 
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Retimed night buses mainly... Which is bloody daft. There shouldn't be 20mph at night...
 
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scosutsut said:
Issuing tickets to non authorised vehicles from accessing Princes Street would be a start. Although I don't blame a lot of lost tourists, the signs, particularly westbound are exceptionally poor and easy to miss.

I still don't agree with taxis having full rights to Princes Street, or bus lanes for that matter. If carrying a disabled passenger perhaps, but beyond that no.
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Wait - they don't issue tickets??? What's the point in signs being there?!
 
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It is part of the problem....there are all these signs and restrictions, yet there doesn't seem to be any enforcement of them...

Case in point....
Marshall Street (the very small street which connects Nicholson Square and Potterrow) is only for Bus, cycle, taxi. Yet on numerous occasions I've seen private cars go from Nicholson Square through to Potterrow, yes, there are road signs and road markings, but no camera lights or CCTV or any other way to monitor or enforce the regulations....

I know of other places where private cars flout restrictions, but given that there is no penalty/no repercussions for breaking the rules and regulations it is hardly surprising that drivers choose to ignore road signs......
 
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It is part of the problem....there are all these signs and restrictions, yet there doesn't seem to be any enforcement of them...

Case in point....
Marshall Street (the very small street which connects Nicholson Square and Potterrow) is only for Bus, cycle, taxi. Yet on numerous occasions I've seen private cars go from Nicholson Square through to Potterrow, yes, there are road signs and road markings, but no camera lights or CCTV or any other way to monitor or enforce the regulations....

I know of other places where private cars flout restrictions, but given that there is no penalty/no repercussions for breaking the rules and regulations it is hardly surprising that drivers choose to ignore road signs......
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You'd think some ANPR cameras would pay for themselves fairly quickly in these spots! Annoyingly I've been stuck there/Nicholson Sq twice on a 300 because of vans on double yellows.
 
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You'd think some ANPR cameras would pay for themselves fairly quickly in these spots! Annoyingly I've been stuck there/Nicholson Sq twice on a 300 because of vans on double yellows.
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Exactly! You know my pain, I use the 300 daily to/from work and in the afternoon the 300 has missed the lights there due to cars and delivery vans at the lights
 
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As far as I can tell they don't. No cameras, no police enforcement ever (nowhere for them to sit even if they wanted to)
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There's is probably far more important things for the Police to do than chase people around the place because they've driven up a bus lane, it's hardly the crime of the century.
 
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There's is probably far more important things for the Police to do than chase people around the place because they've driven up a bus lane, it's hardly the crime of the century.
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Really??
In which case, what's the point in any traffic regulations???
 
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Colin M said:
There's is probably far more important things for the Police to do than chase people around the place because they've driven up a bus lane, it's hardly the crime of the century.
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The enforcement should be able to pay for itself. Our police are certainly more busy and less well-resourced than they should be, but enforcement of this should be simple, profitable and in the hands of the council
 
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The enforcement should be able to pay for itself. Our police are certainly more busy and less well-resourced than they should be, but enforcement of this should be simple, profitable and in the hands of the council
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Agreed, the traffic regulations *need* to be enforced with action taken against those who flout them.
 
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Really??
In which case, what's the point in any traffic regulations???
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Of course traffic regulations are need otherwise it would be a free for all but there is far worse things happening in the world than joe blogs driving his clapped out car up a stretch of road causing nobody any harm whatsoever.
 
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Nicolson Square and Marshall Street have been a problem for years but very little is done to actually enforce any of the restrictions - as can be seen by the same cars parked on Marshall Street most days, especially at the weekend, and the cars and vans parked on the double yellows or in the taxi rank on Nicolson Square throughout most of the day.

With the latter, if they're blocking the bus, picking up the radio mic is usually enough to get them scrambling out of their shops to move out of the way.
 
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The enforcement should be able to pay for itself. Our police are certainly more busy and less well-resourced than they should be, but enforcement of this should be simple, profitable and in the hands of the council
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In Glasgow that would have had a council camera on it years ago
 
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If Bert in his clapped out escort decides to go up Princes St, that won't really be to much detriment, until Alf and Charlie sees him doing it and copies, then Doris and Ethel, and before you know it you may as well not have any rules if nobody is enforcing them!

An easy and fair system would be to supply and fit cameras with ANPR, any vehicle registered as a PSV or emergency vehicle would be ignored. Private vehicles would receive, for the first offence, a stern letter telling them not to do it again, and subsequently a PCN. That way (a la Dartford) nobody can be penalised for a single error or moment of confusion
 
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If Bert in his clapped out escort decides to go up Princes St, that won't really be to much detriment, until Alf and Charlie sees him doing it and copies, then Doris and Ethel, and before you know it you may as well not have any rules if nobody is enforcing them!

An easy and fair system would be to supply and fit cameras with ANPR, any vehicle registered as a PSV or emergency vehicle would be ignored. Private vehicles would receive, for the first offence, a stern letter telling them not to do it again, and subsequently a PCN. That way (a la Dartford) nobody can be penalised for a single error or moment of confusion
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Council to blame. As usual.
 
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As far as I can tell they don't. No cameras, no police enforcement ever (nowhere for them to sit even if they wanted to)
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I have seen a private car + police car pulled over on Princes Street with the driver having a serious-faced conversation with a police officer at least twice in the last few years.

That's not as many times as I have seen private cars driving along there without being pulled over, because there was no-one around to do it. But it does seem to happen, although I don't think the instances I saw were anything to do with police sitting waiting for people to offend. From my non-scientific observations it doesn't happen often enough to make that worthwhile cf for example vastly more common (are arguably more hazardous) offences like speeding. I suspect even cameras would struggle to pay their way given the low level of offending that I saw when I worked nearby.

That said, I was passing the South St David Street junction on a tram the other day and noticed a lot of horn-blowing coming from the westbound side: turned out to be a taxi driver trying to warn the two private car drivers ahead of him that they should be turning right rather going straight on past the enormous illuminated no entry sign (which they did anyway).
 
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on 1047 just now and noticed on the dash a label saying “Hazard - Low Bridge Fauldhouse 12”0” ngl this is actually a good feature
 
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Passed 3BT 906 on layover on St Andrews earlier, rear badging reads B9TL Euro 6. I thought the B9s only met Euro 5? Or have these been modified?
 
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Jordan Adam said:
Not sure the badges mean much given the LCB Gemini 3s are going about with B5TL badges!
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True, the 16 plate Tours B5s have B7 torque setting stickers on their wheelarches as well.

I thought if someone was going to the trouble of strictly unnecessary flourishes like that, they'd at least get them right!
 
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Jordan Adam said:
Ahh yes, had a quite look, it is 593 that has the wrong badges, not 572 (Which also went to Lathalmond).
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The 4 Gemini 2's from Bullocks are indeed B5 Hybrids, annoying that the badging is wrong. I'll flag it - not that it's the biggest issue but someone somewhere will care.
 
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