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GrimShady said:
These do look absolutely marvelous. Pity we don't have any in Scotland. They would make wonderful scenic trains.
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Well you've had 68s on passenger services for slightly longer than we have across the Pennines!
 
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TP12 Test Runs/FFR
Updated list of runs with TP12. This week there have been two further MID-Carlisle-Crewe-MID runs.


Wednesday 24.07.2019
68021 plus TP12
21:20 MID-Nuneaton(23:23)
23:37 Nuneaton-Stafford(00:05)

Thursday 25.07.2019
68021 plus TP12
03:35 Stafford-MID (03:10)
Departed 169 early from Stafford at 00:46
21:20 MID-Nuneaton (23:23)
23:37 Nuneaton-Stafford (00:05)

Friday 26.07.2019
68021 plus TP12
03:35 Stafford-Longsight Excursion Platform
05:24 Longsight Excursion Platform-Bletchley
09:29 Bletchley-MID

Wednesday 31.07.2019
68021 plus TP12
05:15 MID-Carlisle
09:38 Carlisle-Longsight Excursion Platform

Friday 02.08.2019
68021 plus TP12
05:15 MID-Carlisle
08:12 Carlisle-MID

Monday 05.08.2019
68021 plus TP12
05:15 MID-Carlisle
08:12 Carlisle-Bletchley
15:33 Bletchley-MID

Thursday 08.08.2019
68021 plus TP12
05:15 MID-Carlisle
08:12 Carlisle-Crewe
12:29 Crewe-MID

Thursday 15.08.2019
68030 plus TP12
05:15 MID-Carlisle
08:12 Carlisle-Crewe
12:30 Crewe-MID

Friday 16.08.2019
68030 plus TP12
05:15 MID-Carlisle
08:12 Carlisle-Crewe
12:30 Crewe-MID

Wednesday 21.08.2019
68030 plus TP12
05:15 MID-Carlisle
08:12 Carlisle-Crewe
12:29 MID-Crewe

Tuesday 27.08.2019
68030 plus TP12
05:15 MID-Carlisle
08:12 Carlisle-Crewe
12:22 Crewe-MID

Friday 30.08.2019
68030 plus TP12
05:15 MID-Carlisle
08:12 Carlisle-Crewe
12:22 Crewe-MID
 
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Nova 3 sets accepted/First passenger run
TP09 12.04.2019/24.08.2019
TP06 15.05.2019
TP04 04.07.2019
TP11 11.07.2019/28.08.2019
 
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68032 York driver refresher
68028 Scarborough driver refresher
68023 stabled Scarborough station

Driver refresher trips have continued this week. A change from Monday is the introduction of Scarborough to Redcar runs.

Tuesday 27.08.2019
68032 0B60/61

Wednesday 28.08.2019
68028 0B85/86/87/88

Thursday 29.08.2019
68032 0B60/61
68028 0B81/82/83/84

Friday 30.08.2019
68028 0B81/82/83/84
 
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Okay let's get back onto the topic. We had an interesting diversion into running Mk5 sets in multiple along with examples from other railways in Europe but as there are no plans to actually run them in this mode those sorts of discussions would be best suited to a new thread. We also were in danger of diving off into another rendition of the popular refrain "ScotRail should have got something other than HSTs such as 68s and Mk5s!" which is very very off-topic for this thread and has been done to death on previous threads.

Please stick to discussing the matter at hand which is TPEs introduction of Mk5s.
 
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I was in Leeds station yesterday around 12.10 when a 68 and coaches where at one of the southern platforms. Wow aren't those 68s noisy even when idling. Loud as a Deltic perhaps.
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This is part of as statement released by TPE yesterday, covering current plans:-

"Two of our fleet of Nova 3 trains will be in service each day from 23 September 2019 operating between Liverpool and Scarborough. These train introductions allow us to start the process of cascading existing rolling stock and lengthening the formations of other trains. We expect this to be followed in October with the start of the roll out of our Nova 2 and Nova 1 fleets into passenger service."
 
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sjpowermac said:
Selected Sundays
5E29 Longsight-Liverpool LS
1E29 08:56 Liverpool LS-Scarborough
1F66 12:41 Scarborough-Liverpool LS
1E43 15:52 Liverpool LS-Scarborough
1F80 19:44 Scarborough-Liverpool LS
5H93 22:52 Liverpool LS-Longsight
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Do you know if these are running on 1st September?
 
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Obviously folks are very interested in this train and I know people are trying their best to look for evidence that it might run. But given that I see lots of internal info about the running of the train that I can’t share, I would encourage people to think before they post.

In the interests of being fair to everybody on the forum, I think it’s important that people don’t post that the train is running unless they KNOW it is running, i.e. they have it on good authority, or they’ve seen with their own eyes, as plans can change at the last minute and sources like Genius can often be showing the wrong information.
 
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Is anyone involved able to say if the Nova 3 is planned to be out on Monday as the info obtained from elsewhere differs to what JB has posted above. Thanks
 
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Tomorrow's plan is still going ahead as there are enough crew booked to cover the usual Sunday diagram in full.
 
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Enough bickering. Information that is given in good faith (like all of the information on this thread) is sometimes overtaken by events or changes of plan. There's no need to jump down anyone's throats over it or to tut at anyone who gives information that then later proves to be incorrect. As always it's a case of buyer beware when relying on the information given here or anywhere else!

Let me also just to take the opportunity to thank those that do provide information as I, for one, appreciate it greatly even if sometimes it doesn't quite come off as planned.

Now if we could all get back to talking about the trains themselves?
 
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FFFC 57 said:
I think Nym is trying to say the socket on the front looks very vulnerable to damage and orange LPA equipment would be more robust like what is fitted to most other T&RS.
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This yes.
The Han HMC series are design for light industry use on things like crane controls etc. Not really appropriate for inter-car stuff.
 
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FFFC 57 said:
The trains are what we are all interested in here and we all want to enjoy them in service ASAP!
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Whilst they clearly add much needed capacity and a real locomotive to thrill the enthusiasts I don't think there's much to enjoy. Apart from being rougher riding than the current DMU's the end doors are going to make joining/alighting slower especially as the doors and nearby passageways seem narrow. I originally assumed they were buying something similar to a class 331 bodyshell and interior. This would have been entirely suitable for TPE's service with lots of stops, and the use of standard parts being made for the emu/dmu trains would presumably have been cheaper than this small order of a unique design.
 
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Grumpy said:
the end doors are going to make joining/alighting slower especially as the doors and nearby passageways seem narrow
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The 397s and 802/2s will equally have end doors and narrow passageways - TPE trains have quite long timetabled dwells at many of the stations anyway - 185s can continue to be used on services (but not Newcastle because 125mph is needed North of York) where there is any problem about dwells.
 
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Grumpy said:
Whilst they clearly add much needed capacity and a real locomotive to thrill the enthusiasts I don't think there's much to enjoy. Apart from being rougher riding than the current DMU's the end doors are going to make joining/alighting slower especially as the doors and nearby passageways seem narrow.
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I'd beg to differ.

I'm not sure if you've been out for a ride on one yet, but I personally find the ride quality to be no issue. New rolling stock, including Cl331 is less 'bouncy' than Cl185 in general, but given the conversations I've had over the last week, most customers don't notice a difference, and those that do are generally the people feel sea sick on a Cl185!

The end doors are physically smaller, yes, but in reality, pose very little difference to the boarding speed as long as the platform is managed. Given that a Cl185 has 6 wide doors per train and the Nova fleets have 9 (or 10 on Cl397) narrow doors per train, the passenger load is generally offset along the length of the entire train. This is further compounded by the fact that passengers on the platform seem to create a one-person-wide funnel for alighting passengers at the moment, even when they are asked to step back, not to mention the passengers who insist on blocking doorways with luggage, both of which render the wide doors ineffective.
 
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tpjm said:
I'd beg to differ.

I'm not sure if you've been out for a ride on one yet, but I personally find the ride quality to be no issue. New rolling stock, including Cl331 is less 'bouncy' than Cl185 in general, but given the conversations I've had over the last week, most customers don't notice a difference, and those that do are generally the people feel sea sick on a Cl185!
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Funny enough I was just going to say 185s ride like something out in the North Sea! :lol:

The end doors are physically smaller, yes, but in reality, pose very little difference to the boarding speed as long as the platform is managed. Given that a Cl185 has 6 wide doors per train and the Nova fleets have 9 (or 10 on Cl397) narrow doors per train, the passenger load is generally offset along the length of the entire train. This is further compounded by the fact that passengers on the platform seem to create a one-person-wide funnel for alighting passengers at the moment, even when they are asked to step back, not to mention the passengers who insist on blocking doorways with luggage, both of which render the wide doors ineffective.
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I can't see the end doors being much of an impediment either, anything in the short term is probably just passengers getting used to them which should even out as people do realise the difference.
 
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I quite like 185's, but they don't half have some lateral shocks at certain places, particularly if sat in the vehicle corners, where things can literally go flying off the tables. Although I've only had one ride on a Nova 3, I didn't experience anything like that!

In winter, 185's can get rather cold during station calls, with the doors wide open, so the reversion to end doors is likely to solve that.
 
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D6700 said:
I quite like 185's, but they don't half have some lateral shocks at certain places, particularly if sat in the vehicle corners, where things can literally go flying off the tables. Although I've only had one ride on a Nova 3, I didn't experience anything like that!

In winter, 185's can get rather cold during station calls, with the doors wide open, so the reversion to end doors is likely to solve that.
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Until I get chance to ride a Nova3 set on the up fast past Mirfield P2, I'll assume it's the track rather than the unit, as the 158s always had a heck of a lateral kick at that point just as the 185s do.
 
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D6700 said:
I quite like 185's, but they don't half have some lateral shocks at certain places, particularly if sat in the vehicle corners, where things can literally go flying off the tables.
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I have to agree, I hate checking tickets between Durham and Darlington. The stretch through the cutting at croxdale, between Browney Lane (where the road is slipping down the bank) and through Hett Mill to Ferryhill is particularly rough laterally southbound on a 185 making ticket scanning virtually impossible when the speed of the phone scanner plus my built in tendency to shake anyway (dyspraxia) is all taken into account. Strangely it's smooth on a MK4 or vomiter...

The dash through mirfield can also be lively on a 185
 
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