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Nick Ashwell

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They could well do what has been suggested and run the pacers on doubled up services so they're always attached to a compliant 150 for example. In that case Cardiff Bay would be out
 
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They could well do what has been suggested and run the pacers on doubled up services so they're always attached to a compliant 150 for example. In that case Cardiff Bay would be out
That won't solve the problem of not having enough 150s to run every timetabled service though.
 

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There are not many. Cardiff Bay as you say and 3 for Radyr to Corytons. 2 of these 4 jobs will want to remain as 153s I should think.

That won't solve the problem of not having enough 150s to run every timetabled service though.

The 170s going onto Ebbw Vale, Cheltenham and Maesteg will free up both directly and indirectly several 150s. Also, the current rumour is that the 150s currently in the North will be coming down as well, replaced by 153s from the south.
 

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It's one thing for TfW to take delivery of 170s/230s/769s, it's completely another to have enough crew trained on them to get them into service. Look at how long the 37 + Mk2 training has taken - over 4 months so far just for 4 services a day, and it's still ongoing.

Can anyone with certainty say that 12 x 170s, 5 x 230s, 9 x 769s and 3 x Mk 4 sets will all be in full passenger service by January?
 

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It's one thing for TfW to take delivery of 170s/230s/769s, it's completely another to have enough crew trained on them to get them into service. Look at how long the 37 + Mk2 training has taken - over 4 months so far just for 4 services a day, and it's still ongoing.

Can anyone with certainty say that 12 x 170s, 5 x 230s, 9 x 769s and 3 x Mk 4 sets will all be in full passenger service by January?
Personally, I'm expecting two, and hoping that three of those fleets will be in service by then. Getting nine 769s in service seems to be like hoping to find snowballs in hell by now.
 

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Tfw going to have a lot of staff training to do with the 170s now starting to arrive along with the 230s and 769s
 

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230s are a pipe dream.
769s I doubt a full introduction before
January 2020.
And 170s not arriving till end of 2019?

The 37s and indeed atleast some Pacers will still be in service come the new year.
 

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230s are a pipe dream.
769s I doubt a full introduction before
January 2020.
And 170s not arriving till end of 2019?

The 37s and indeed atleast some Pacers will still be in service come the new year.

2 x 170s are scheduled to arrive tomorrow. See Post #1930
 

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The 170s going onto Ebbw Vale, Cheltenham and Maesteg will free up both directly and indirectly several 150s. Also, the current rumour is that the 150s currently in the North will be coming down as well, replaced by 153s from the south.
Ebbw Vale and Cheltanham-Maesteg requires seven units. I'm heard the suggestion that 153s will take over the 150 diagrams in North Wales. Another problem at the moment is the number of 150s covering for 158s and 175s. That's been the case for months and doesn't show any sign of going away. 153s will lose more time Cardiff to Manchester than a 150 because of the narrow doors at the end of the carriages.
 

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Hopefully the 170 training wont take too long then.
Well,they have 4 months to do so!
Some Cardiff train crew have already driven 170s albeit only on Canton depot. There used to be at least one XC 170 at Canton every night although I think that's only the case at weekends now. Weekdays they stable in Bristol instead.
 

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230s are a pipe dream.
769s I doubt a full introduction before
January 2020.
I'm intrigued that you rank them in that order. There are some 230s already in service elsewhere, whereas that isn't the case yet with the 769s. The last I heard was TfW were still saying "September" arrival for both of them, so we'll see what happens.
I'm heard the suggestion that 153s will take over the 150 diagrams in North Wales.
While a 153 would be sufficient over the winter for the likes of the Conwy Valley, I don't think many North Wales crew will still be current on them, as they haven't been further north than HoWL diagrams for a few years. And TfW have enough crew training to do as it is...
 

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I'm intrigued that you rank them in that order. There are some 230s already in service elsewhere, whereas that isn't the case yet with the 769s. The last I heard was TfW were still saying "September" arrival for both of them, so we'll see what happens.

On the one hand, yes 230s are in service elsewhere already and 769s aren't. On the other hand, 769s are currently on property, and can be seen any time you pass Canton Depot. The 230s aren't......

While a 153 would be sufficient over the winter for the likes of the Conwy Valley, I don't think many North Wales crew will still be current on them, as they haven't been further north than HoWL diagrams for a few years. And TfW have enough crew training to do as it is...

All guards at Junction and Holyhead need retraining on them, and 2 out of 3 links of drivers at Chester too (all Chester guards already sign them) - that's the bad news. The good news is it's only a 1 day course for drivers and I would suspect even less for guards.
 

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On the one hand, yes 230s are in service elsewhere already and 769s aren't. On the other hand, 769s are currently on property, and can be seen any time you pass Canton Depot. The 230s aren't......
Very true. Though those 769s don't seem to have done much since arriving... yet. The wait for the exhaust fix seems to have been as long as a piece of string.

As a bystander, I wouldn't be surprised to see some 769s in training or service before the 230s, but I would be surprised to see all nine 769s in service before the 230s.
 

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Theres a 769 on Allerton as well.
Like the Canton..not done a thing
as far as I know.
I wish the 230s every success when they do arrive. They seem fine on the Marston Vale lines.
Didn't know Anglia were releasing some of their 170s early. Given the current TfW shortages it is hopeful they will be introduced as soon as.
Looking forward to my Cardiff visit on 9th September.
If things go to TfW's aspirations, this may be last time I see the Pacers on the Valley lines,although I'm hopeful some may survive the deadline.
 

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I understood it to be one to arrive tomorrow and one a week later. But guess we'll see what happens tomorrow.
I'm going to Cardiff tomorrow and if I have one 170 that has arrived from Norwich to see and capture I'll be excited, and if I have two 170s that have arrived from Norwich to see and capture I'll be even more excited :lol:

I'd be surprised if it's only one unit though and not the "3+2" formation! According to realtimetrains it's a 7 hour delivery run, scheduled to depart Crown Point TMD at 1018, go through Central at 1713-1715 ("arrival"-"departure") and arrive at Canton Pullmans at 1718.

Indeed, let's wait and see :)
 
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DannyMich2018

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230s are a pipe dream.
769s I doubt a full introduction before
January 2020.
And 170s not arriving till end of 2019?

The 37s and indeed atleast some Pacers will still be in service come the new year.
Class 230's are some months away I'd assume none has yet appeared on mainline yet for testing/training and Class 769's full service unlikely to well into next year yet-this project is so delayed now (Northern should have had it's first in traffic last year) it really needs putting out of its misery...
 

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So the service number is 5Z70 but it's 170207 on its own, right...?
 
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