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Anyone have any idea on how long it will be before the 321/322s will be displaced?
 

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15th September the 331s start on the Leeds North West Triangle and seem to be directly replacing the 321 diagrams but there will still be 1 Monday to Saturday diagram using a 321. Also the 331s start on the Leeds to Doncaster line on a Sunday and the 0759 Doncaster to Leeds on a weekday
 

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Any ideas as to timescales for 331's to be on Manchester Airport to Blackpool North?

I'm excited, only ever been on a train built in this decade in the UK once :lol:
 

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Any ideas as to timescales for 331's to be on Manchester Airport to Blackpool North?

I'm excited, only ever been on a train built in this decade in the UK once
Currently a 195 is doing a diagram on that route, the 331s are currently replacing 321/322s so I don't think a date for Man Air to Blackpool services has been decided yet, the 331s will eventually be used for the Lime street and Man Air to Blackpool North service but don't forget that 323s are coming in from WMT to displace the remaining 319s. Knowing Northern, when all these units are in service, it could be anyone's guess which is used for the service.

To cut it short, earliest December 2019 for the timetable change as the 331s are meant to displace 321/322s by the end of September (which is unlikely given the delays).
If you wanted to see them soon then just go to Leeds from Manchester to see them, TPE have some of the best advances, less than £5 to Leeds from MCR/MCV. Then at least you're guaranteed a 331 on the Leeds-Doncaster services!
 

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Currently a 195 is doing a diagram on that route, the 331s are currently replacing 321/322s so I don't think a date for Man Air to Blackpool services has been decided yet, the 331s will eventually be used for the Lime street and Man Air to Blackpool North service but don't forget that 323s are coming in from WMT to displace the remaining 319s. Knowing Northern, when all these units are in service, it could be anyone's guess which is used for the service.

To cut it short, earliest December 2019 for the timetable change as the 331s are meant to displace 321/322s by the end of September (which is unlikely given the delays).
If you wanted to see them soon then just go to Leeds from Manchester to see them, TPE have some of the best advances, less than £5 to Leeds from MCR/MCV. Then at least you're guaranteed a 331 on the Leeds-Doncaster services!

Cool, thanks for the info!

Honestly I'm happy to see a 195 as well. Returning from the US in a couple of days, so maybe I'll get on one on my train back from the Airport!

Or perhaps I'll get a warm welcome back to Northern England with a Pacer... :lol:

Think we know which one is more likely folks!
 

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Stoke needs a peppy train. I've just arrived in Stoke on a famous 10p ticket and the 323 was just about keeping time but lost a minute or so after Stockport (where it was held for 2min)
 

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Any ideas as to timescales for 331's to be on Manchester Airport to Blackpool North?

Currently a 195 is doing a diagram on that route

The only service journey on the Fylde currently being covered by a 195 is 2234NSu Manchester Airport to Blackpool North. This is after the unit involved has spent the day on Airport - Barrow/Windermere.
Other than that, the only other scheduled 195 working on the Blackpool line is a morning ECS move Blackpool North - Lancaster, then service Lancaster to Windermere.
 

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Cool, thanks for the info!

Honestly I'm happy to see a 195 as well. Returning from the US in a couple of days, so maybe I'll get on one on my train back from the Airport!

Or perhaps I'll get a warm welcome back to Northern England with a Pacer... :lol:

Think we know which one is more likely folks!
Believe me, I would be happy to get a pacer! I don't reside where there's Pacers, and I'm going to Sheffield and Doncaster to see and ride them before they get scrapped! They will be missed by many, but I'm sure your normal everyday commuter won't!
 

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Yes it has, next Monday, 9/9/19.
So how come 331s will be on Man Air to Blackpool services before the 321/322s are replaced. There aren't enough units delivered yet. To be running 331s on those services AND displacing 321/22s.
 

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So how come 331s will be on Man Air to Blackpool services before the 321/322s are replaced. There aren't enough units delivered yet. To be running 331s on those services AND displacing 321/22s.

I understood that 331/1s may start to appear on a limited number 321/322 diagrams in the coming weeks on the Aire & Wharfe lines, whilst the 331/0s were starting west of the Pennines from next week? Only when platform lengths along the Aire & Wharfe routes are extended (no date confirmed yet) will the 331/0s start to operate as 2*3 car units on selected diagrams.
 

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I understood that 331/1s may start to appear on a limited number 321/322 diagrams in the coming weeks on the Aire & Wharfe lines, whilst the 331/0s were starting west of the Pennines from next week? Only when platform lengths along the Aire & Wharfe routes are extended (no date confirmed yet) will the 331/0s start to operate as 2*3 car units on selected diagrams.
I'm sure you're right, but if there is no date confirmed for platform lengthening then how will they displace all 321/322s by the 30th of September, as Northern state.
Currently 2 diagrams are booked 331s between DON and LDS, there are obviously diagrams on the Aire and Wharfedale lines, I know that 321/322s operate from Leeds to Bradford and Bradford to Skipton, don't remember seeing one going to Ilkley though.
 

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I'm sure you're right, but if there is no date confirmed for platform lengthening then how will they displace all 321/322s by the 30th of September, as Northern state.
Currently 2 diagrams are booked 331s between DON and LDS, there are obviously diagrams on the Aire and Wharfedale lines, I know that 321/322s operate from Leeds to Bradford and Bradford to Skipton, don't remember seeing one going to Ilkley though.

They do go to Ilkley, my 06:16 Guiseley-Leeds is usually one, as is the 06:12 in the opposite direction. I'm not sure how many 331/1s have been accepted but I understood from the 331 Construction thread that all of them had been delivered? So if all are here its just a case of test, accept, then drag over the hills to Yorkshire, unless I'm missing something?
 

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Believe me, I would be happy to get a pacer! I don't reside where there's Pacers, and I'm going to Sheffield and Doncaster to see and ride them before they get scrapped! They will be missed by many, but I'm sure your normal everyday commuter won't!

Not great with luggage, also just feels so terrible and outdated.

I do completely get the novelty factor, but sometimes makes me re-evaluate my choice of place to live...

If I was to get comfortable A/C trains (such as 195/331) more often, I think that'd make me feel slightly better about staying in the North West!
 

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Not great with luggage, also just feels so terrible and outdated.

I do completely get the novelty factor, but sometimes makes me re-evaluate my choice of place to live...

If I was to get comfortable A/C trains (such as 195/331) more often, I think that'd make me feel slightly better about staying in the North West!
Apologies for going off topic but if you want comfortable seats and A/C then go to Essex/Anglia next time, they should be full of Aventras and Flirts with comfortable seats and brilliant A/C!
 

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Apologies for going off topic but if you want comfortable seats and A/C then go to Essex/Anglia next time, they should be full of Aventras and Flirts with comfortable seats and brilliant A/C!

getting back to reliability - there don't seem to be many staff - drivers / conductors etc that have much good to say about the 755's and the biggest complaint is that they keep 'breaking down'. Door issues and engine issues seem to be a problem. Apparently if the engines get too hot they just shut straight down and there seems to be a problem restarting them. Does it sound a similar story?!!

i dont understand why all the failures and breakdowns only started to occur once they were in service, during testing they seemed to work flawlessly

I wonder if people in East Anglia are wishing they’d gone for 195’s and 331’s ?
 

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Sorry, Denyboy, I misread your post. It's Liverpool to Blackpool North which is scheduled to get 331s from 9/9/19.
No Worries, do you think it's likely that 331s will be running on that route for the 9th or is this unrealistic.
 

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No Worries, do you think it's likely that 331s will be running on that route for the 9th or is this unrealistic.

My money is on it happening. There's a video on one of the 323 threads showing a press launch they had (it may have been Monday of this week) and I believe the invited were taken from Blackpool to Preston and back on a 331. Liverpool to Blackpool equals three diagrams (yes, I do think the timetable is a shade on the tight side, but that's how it is), and three units (plus, presumably, a spare) doesn't seem too many to conjure up at one go. There'd be nothing to stop them converting one diagram at a time, if they wanted, I suppose.

 

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What units have been running Leeds-Doncaster diagrams this week?

322483 on 1521 Leeds to Doncaster today struggling a little with wet rails - 322481 reported on the other diagram.
 
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Sorry, Denyboy, I misread your post. It's Liverpool to Blackpool North which is scheduled to get 331s from 9/9/19.
No Worries, do you think it's likely that 331s will be running on that route for the 9th or is this unrealistic.

Even at this late hour, there are conflicting signs. An ECS move, 5F01 Blackpool North CMD to Blackpool North, has been amended to bring the stock for both the 0603 and 0703 Liverpool departures, but Blackpool - Liverpool journeys are still shown as interworking with such as Liverpool - Wigans, indeed, there are times of the day where interworking is pretty much inevitable. We'll need to wait and see what happens tomorrow.
 
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1x331 is planned to work Liverpool-Wigan stoppers too as it interworks with Blackpool services, with 1 circuit on the Liverpool-Blackpool remaining a 319.

But there won’t be enough drivers trained though, so I’d be surprised if more aren’t 319’s tomorrow.
 

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My money is on it happening. There's a video on one of the 323 threads showing a press launch they had (it may have been Monday of this week) and I believe the invited were taken from Blackpool to Preston and back on a 331. Liverpool to Blackpool equals three diagrams (yes, I do think the timetable is a shade on the tight side, but that's how it is), and three units (plus, presumably, a spare) doesn't seem too many to conjure up at one go. There'd be nothing to stop them converting one diagram at a time, if they wanted, I suppose.
There are four 331/1 on the west side at Allerton/Edge Hill (331103/04/11/12) and quite a number of 331/0 which should be available for service.
 

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There are four 331/1 on the west side at Allerton/Edge Hill (331103/04/11/12) and quite a number of 331/0 which should be available for service.

If 331s are going to appear on Liverpool - Blackpool today, they should be up & running now. If they do appear, I would expect it to be on the Blackpool starts (0603 & 0703 ex BPN).
 

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331 007 in service today, just left Liverpool on 2F56 0743 LIV-WGN.

So, after getting back from Wigan it should do 0936 Blackpool North, then stay on Blackpools for the rest of the day, finishing there at 2347.
Does anyone know what's done the 0636/0736/0836 departures?
 
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