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Scottish Electrification updates & discussion
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A few road bridges to raise/widen and possibly some drainage issues to resolve between Hairmyres and EK - it's extremely boggy directly opposite Hairmyres platform.
edwin_m
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Being the modern railway industry it is now the $64 million dollar question and it may have become the $640 million doller question by the time someone answers it.
MadMac
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There were track drawings from 1974 for "East Kilbride Electrification" in the Glasgow Signalling Drawing Office when I started there in 1979!
Looks like Winchburgh Tunnel is underwater again this morning, but the 0711 Kirkcaldy to Queen Street is running, meaning Winchburgh to Dalmeny is open. Surely electrifying Winchburgh to Dalmeny then on to Haymarket is a priority while the method for doing the Forth Bridge is worked out? For the avoidance of doubt, I’m not suggesting that the Fife lines could take a full diverted E&G service- max 2 TPH and it might need some thinning of the Fife services.
If the original EGIP plan hadn’t been cancelled at the very last minute, we would have the Tunnel bypass on its way to completion.
Altnabreac
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Given the estimated costs for EGIP more likely it wouldn't have happened at all.
Dalmeny Chord will be coming back sooner rather than later however and I'd expect it to be put in the "CP5 pipeline" plans in the next year or so.
I'd be very surprised if this isn't included in the next round of electrification.
GRALISTAIR
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Did you mean CP6 or day I say it - even CP7?
I doubt it will slip as far as CP7. I reckon that it'll either get started in CP6 or get dropped entirely in favour of something else (e.g. a new high-speed line).
Altnabreac
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Yes I meant CP6. It will take a while for statutory permissions so may not be finished until CP7.
Though, it does have the advantage of having had at least some design work already complete. Which should shorten the delivery timescale a bit.
Altnabreac
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Yes. It’s obviously not been announced yet but I’ve heard various things that suggest Transport Scotland will be proposing it in the near future.
Hopefully we get an official announcement soon.
d9009alycidon
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First small steps towards East Kilbride electrification
https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/residents-invited-to-find-out-more-about-tree-cutting
"Ahead of work to cut back trees and vegetation on the railway between East Kilbride and Glasgow, Network Rail is inviting local people to ‘drop-in’ to find out more about the work.
Clearing the trees and vegetation along the eleven-mile railway corridor will begin in September and will enable further site and geological investigation(SI/GI) which will inform proposals for future investment in the railway. (my bold)
As well as vegetation clearance, this work will include a general tidy up and will address any issues with fencing uncovered as the vegetation is cleared. It will be delivered in a combination of both day and night time working, including at weekends."
https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/residents-invited-to-find-out-more-about-tree-cutting
"Ahead of work to cut back trees and vegetation on the railway between East Kilbride and Glasgow, Network Rail is inviting local people to ‘drop-in’ to find out more about the work.
Clearing the trees and vegetation along the eleven-mile railway corridor will begin in September and will enable further site and geological investigation(SI/GI) which will inform proposals for future investment in the railway. (my bold)
As well as vegetation clearance, this work will include a general tidy up and will address any issues with fencing uncovered as the vegetation is cleared. It will be delivered in a combination of both day and night time working, including at weekends."
Interesting , hopefully something will come of this , early days though .
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Slightly surprised to hear this as they cut it back quite severely last year. Hopefully it is all about getting accurate costs for upgrade and electrification.
Worth highlighting from today's Programme for Government announcement:
https://www.gov.scot/publications/p...vernments-programme-scotland-2019-20/pages/5/
Roll on the Spring for the full details.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/p...vernments-programme-scotland-2019-20/pages/5/
Roll on the Spring for the full details.
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At last some firming up on East Kilbride and Barrhead. Would suggest the forthcoming work is more than just clearing vegetation.
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"rolling programme of efficient electrification"
That's a new phrase, I think. I think this could encompass the sorts of partial electrification involving small batteries which could make it far easier to roll out. The South Wales trial is definitely going to be interesting.
That's a new phrase, I think. I think this could encompass the sorts of partial electrification involving small batteries which could make it far easier to roll out. The South Wales trial is definitely going to be interesting.
You need ‘studies’ before you start work. Unless you want to build it twice.
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I took efficient electrification to mean that, for x miles of electrification, y amount of passenger journeys can be made electric. I would imagine then that EK electrification is top of the board, given how short the distance is that needs to be electrified, and how many journeys that would benefit
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Indeed and I think the studies are largely complete. There is a drive to having a fuller understanding of costs and engineering challenges before ground work is undertaken and I think the ‘vegetation clearance’ is part of that.
I would be very surprised if they were.
Altnabreac
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Excellent news and it will be very useful to have that 2035 target date for decarbonisation of rail services to drive rolling stock strategy in the next Scotrail franchise.
That really means that Diesel Bi-modes aren't going to cut it so any partial electrification ideas will have to be focussed on battery powered units.
I'd expect the plan in Spring 2020 to commit to electrification of the Seven Cities network by 2035 as well as Barrhead - Kilmarnock, Borders, Fife Circle.
Stranraer, WHL, Kyle and Far North will be identified as the battery / hydrogen fuel cell areas.
The marginal lines that could go either way are Barassie - Kilmarnock, Ayr - Girvan and Kilmarnock - Carlisle. Will be interested to see if these end up in the electrified or the battery routes.
That really means that Diesel Bi-modes aren't going to cut it so any partial electrification ideas will have to be focussed on battery powered units.
I'd expect the plan in Spring 2020 to commit to electrification of the Seven Cities network by 2035 as well as Barrhead - Kilmarnock, Borders, Fife Circle.
Stranraer, WHL, Kyle and Far North will be identified as the battery / hydrogen fuel cell areas.
The marginal lines that could go either way are Barassie - Kilmarnock, Ayr - Girvan and Kilmarnock - Carlisle. Will be interested to see if these end up in the electrified or the battery routes.
City Union would be a good non-passenger infill. Probably pretty straightforward as I don’t think there are any over bridges apart from the enormous M74 Port Eglinton viaduct.
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