Living in the North West of England I was initially bemused to learn that our "posher than Waitrose" chain of supermarkets was buying up obsolete electric locomotives,until I discovered that Booths was also a scrapyard in Rotherham!
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LNER Class 91/Mk4 service status/withdrawals/2021 refurbishment
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Given that component recovery is taking place is this to keep the LNER fleet running or to use when conversions start for other operators - or both?
Have any conversions actually started?
Pep and co
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Saw 91103 taking empty stock towards Kings Cross about 09:30 this morning
Rich Barlow
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Thanks for that .. I saw it ecs at Peterborough as i was pulling out on the hst and could not get bsck to Grantham in time for the 1Y84 .. 30 seconds earlier and i colud have bailed the HST and waited for it coming back .. two days left on my east mid rover left to get it ..
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Anyone know what was wrong with the coaches that resulted in scrapping?
Was sat in King's Cross this afternoon - possibly on the 1630 or 1633 departure.
DanNCL
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91103 is currently on 1Y44 16:25 Newcastle - Kings Cross.
Could *swear* I saw it....maybe it was 104 I saw...
DanNCL
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106 was the 16:30 from Kings Cross, 113 was the 16:33 from Kings Cross. Might have been one of those you saw?
I was on 1Y44 from Newcastle to Darlington and can confirm it is 91103
Rich Barlow
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Thanks .. got it earlier today on 1N17 .. post appreciated never the less ..
59CosG95
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Looks like you got it by the skin of your teeth @Rich Barlow!
Rich Barlow
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Yes .. just about got it thanks to the gen on this forum ..
gimmea50anyday
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Confirmed by LNER on twitter. Today is 91103 last day in traffic.
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Surplus to requirements.
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No corrosion or structural issues?
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The 442s have had suspension modifications during their service with GTR which has resulted in a different ride height. This is why they are being treated as new units for gauging purposes.
59CosG95
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11423 is also reported as being at CF Booths.
59CosG95
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BN24 (sans Open Standard (Disabled) coach 12319; coach F) has now gone to Doncaster Works; the second Mk4 set to do so.
gimmea50anyday
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Some stored mk4s have been reinstated recently, so possibly some reformations to rakes to come to keep better condition and lower mileage coaches in traffic...
Rich Barlow
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Having spent the last month chasing 91103 due to its impending withdrawal I have neglected my other 'need' and now last one so could anyone inform me of 91116's current condition please ..
Many thanks in anticipation ..
Many thanks in anticipation ..
Harbon 1
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According to a post on here a few pages back, bits from 108 will go to 116. A post elsewhere showed bits have already disappeared from 108, so hopefully shouldn’t be too long until 116 re-appears....I still need it too
Rich Barlow
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Thanks for that .. hopefully get it soon ..According to a post on here a few pages back, bits from 108 will go to 116. A post elsewhere showed bits have already disappeared from 108, so hopefully shouldn’t be too long until 116 re-appears....I still need it too
Rich Barlow
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Ahhh the old debate .. i reckon all the bits of all of them other than the body shell have been changed at some point so its like 'triggers broom' ..But is it really 116 if it's got bits of 108?
Entertexthere
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91 108 was outside Wabtec Doncaster today if anybody still needs to get it. I don't know whether it's still there now, or how long it is to stay outside in view for
59CosG95
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The following Mk4s have now been moved from Doncaster to Eastleigh (!): 82226/11323/10325/12454/12225; all ex-BN23. My guess is that they'll receive a light refresh, de-vinyling and repaint into TfW colours there.
sprinterguy
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Thanks for the update.
I'm surprised that there's a First Open included in that rake. I appreciate that the mark 4 catering vehicles are standard class, but that's a decrease in standard class seating overall compared to the current mark 3 set. I'd assumed that 12318 would be making the trip rather than 11323.
hexagon789
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Aren't the Mk4s like Mk3s? The seating can be altered very easily so a Pullman Open could readily be changed to a Tourist Open.
TfW earlier in the year said the sets would only have 19 First Class seats.
sprinterguy
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That sounds more akin to what I've read previously. I wonder what the intention is then? Reseat the catering vehicle with first class seats recovered from 11323, or convert 11323 to a half first/half standard composite vehicle?
I'd assume the former, and while it is easy to alter the seats in a mark 4 I don't see why 11323 should then be converted to a Tourist Open when there is already a disabled compliant standard class vehicle (12318) available in the first place. Unless 11323 is being moved purely to surrender seats to the catering vehicles - One Pullman Open has sufficient seats to furnish two catering vehicles - and 12318 is being moved on a separate date, but I assume that if it was involved then they would have all been moved together.
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