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While many small stations are "open" 24/7, some are locked at night after the last train and unlocked in the morning. Examples near me are Rochdale, Todmorden and Hebden Bridge. But who does this? Tod and Hebden Bridge are unstaffed once the ticket office closes at 20.30 hrs.

Does the guard of the last train have to lock up? In the case of Hebden Bridge, does someone have to check that there's no-one stuck in a lift? And what happens in the morning, when the station needs to be opened before the first train arrives?
 
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While many small stations are "open" 24/7, some are locked at night after the last train and unlocked in the morning. Examples near me are Rochdale, Todmorden and Hebden Bridge. But who does this? Tod and Hebden Bridge are unstaffed once the ticket office closes at 20.30 hrs.

Does of the guard of the last train have to lock up? In the case of Hebden Bridge, does someone have to check that there's no-one stuck in a lift? And what happens in the morning, when the station needs to be opened before the first train arrives?

In some cases, there are staff 24/7 but the station isn’t examples include Kings Cross, Peterborough, Stevenage, Welwyn Garden City etc so stations are usually locked up after the last train and opened for the first train.
 

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I've often wondered about locking and unlocking of smaller stations. Were many smaller stations locked overnight in years gone by compared to nowadays?
 

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While many small stations are "open" 24/7, some are locked at night after the last train and unlocked in the morning. Examples near me are Rochdale, Todmorden and Hebden Bridge. But who does this? Tod and Hebden Bridge are unstaffed once the ticket office closes at 20.30 hrs.

Does of the guard of the last train have to lock up? In the case of Hebden Bridge, does someone have to check that there's no-one stuck in a lift? And what happens in the morning, when the station needs to be opened before the first train arrives?
At Todmorden and Hebden there are exits straight into the car park without going through the station building.
 

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People might be reluctant to answer this in detail for obvious reasons. But guards don't lock up any stations.
 

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At Todmorden and Hebden there are exits straight into the car park without going through the station building.
Yes but I assumed they too were locked at night. Never been there that late.
 

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Yes but I assumed they too were locked at night. Never been there that late.
It’s an opening between where the station building finishes and the fence starts. There isn’t a gate between them. So nothing to physically lock.
 

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There was a case a number of years ago at, IIRC, Yoker where a regular user of the first train turned up to find the station locked up and in trying to climb a fence to get in, fell and broke his leg. Sued BR and won, I believe.....
 

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But guards don't lock up any stations.
I don't know if it was the guard or another member of on train staff but when I visited Sampford Courtenay station on the first train the GWR member of staff (from on board the train) unlocked the gate to let people waiting in the car park in and people who had just got off out and I think the same in reverse happens after the last train, I know this is slightly different as this station is only served on summer Sundays but does show that on train staff do sometimes unlock stations but I'm not sure if there are any other examples of this.
 

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In a previous life I worked for a company who operated newspaper kiosks, many of which were at railway stations.

The manager of one such kiosk had the keys to the station building and used to open it up at 04:30 so he could open up the kiosk, well before the station staff arrived.

An absolutely fascinating business, never seen anything like it and probably never will again given the demise of newspaper sales generally.
 

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I'm aware of a recent incident where a colleague was trapped on the motorway on the way to open a station for the 0600 service to Manchester. The Leeds platform is accessible from the main road (as opposed to via the booking hall/subway) and customers were witnessed on CCTV walking across the tracks to get to the other side!
 

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In a previous life I worked for a company who operated newspaper kiosks, many of which were at railway stations.

The manager of one such kiosk had the keys to the station building and used to open it up at 04:30 so he could open up the kiosk, well before the station staff arrived.

I'm sure that I remember previous discussion on here about a station that was routinely opened by a staff member of one of the shops - the discussion arose as a result of them not turning up one morning and the station not being opened in time. There's something at the back of my mind telling me that the station was East Croydon, but that seems like far too major a station for something like that to be the routine.
 
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I remember reading in the[ Manchester evening news] a few years ago, Passengers were stranded on Rochdale station. The station was closed with lights turned off as a late running train arrived, Passengers called the police to get out.
 

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I remenber
I remember reading in the[ Manchester evening news] a few years ago, Passengers were stranded on Rochdale station. The station was closed with lights turned off as a late running train arrived, Passengers called the police to get out.
Yes I remember that. Has happened a few times in the past where it's still been locked up as the first train from Manchester to Leeds has turned up in the morning too.
 

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Atherton is one station I can personally vouch for as you had to wait till the final train before locking up the place which was really annoying if it was delayed! That station is one where there is absolutely no way in or out due to being down a set of stairs through the station building and in long deep cutting with fences. I believe that only recently it's now left open like all the others on the Atherton line, end of an era I guess and probably the death of the late shift.

Rochdale isn't too bad now as you can get out at the far end where the Metrolink is if worst comes to the absolute worst. I mean you'd need to cross the tracks to get out. We see plenty going out that way on the cctv to avoid the barriers. Before the metro you were definitely trapped.

Birchwood and Warrington Central would be others where if you left and forgot to open the side gate no one is getting in or out. You'd soon be getting alot of unhappy phone calls!

I believe in the past in regards to Rochdale a guard was given the keys and opened it when it got there to let the people in and out! Definitely at Northern that isn't a regular thing!
 
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A story I read was that when one of the terminal stations in Chicago closed (for good - sorry, can't remember which - Dearborn or Grand Central?) the last duty station master decided he needed to lock up - and couldn't find the key to the main entrance. Looked everywhere, still couldn't. Then looked at the door, and realised why he couldn't: no keyhole, no lock, so no key. The station had never been closed and locked up before...
 

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I’ve had station staff lock the gates behind me when I’ve been on the last arrival at Chester at 01:36 before. There’s a departure at 03:36 though so they can’t be locked for long.
 

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On almost all the Docklands Light railway the stations are ungated, and lit, 24x7. Never seen any issue as a result, despite it being inner-city.

The old GWR, and BR Western Region, had Halts, with no staff or locks but they had lighting. It was turned on by the guard of the last daylight train, and off by that of the last train. If there was a regular evening passenger they were shown the switch and trusted to turn them off after everyone else had left, and then grope their way to the road. Never heard of any problem. Some to the end still had oil lamps, but these were times when passengers still knew what to do with those.
 

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Problems at Middlesbrough today, the station unlocked late, covered on separate thread.
 

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In some cases, there are staff 24/7 but the station isn’t examples include Kings Cross, Peterborough, Stevenage, Welwyn Garden City etc so stations are usually locked up after the last train and opened for the first train.

Quite a lot of the ECML stations (even some fairly minor ones) are staffed 24/7, but I can think of a fair few which aren’t locked overnight. At some GN stations on the south of the route, the gap between the last and first trains is very short indeed.

At Todmorden and Hebden there are exits straight into the car park without going through the station building.

“Night gates” are very common.

Within staffing hours, it is preferable to have people walk through the ticket office, if provided and if in a practical location, as it is a significant deterrent to antisocial behaviour. But walking through an unstaffed concourse past a closed ticket office seems to be much less common than the use of night gates - this allows an extra security for an unstaffed station’s buildings.

People might be reluctant to answer this in detail for obvious reasons. But guards don't lock up any stations.

I can think of a couple where guards routinely do - and several more where they are trained (as part of route knowledge) to unlock or lock stations if they are found to be closed.

In a previous life I worked for a company who operated newspaper kiosks, many of which were at railway stations.

The manager of one such kiosk had the keys to the station building and used to open it up at 04:30 so he could open up the kiosk, well before the station staff arrived.

An absolutely fascinating business, never seen anything like it and probably never will again given the demise of newspaper sales generally.[/QUOTE

It’s gradually becoming rarer for whole stations to be opened by shop staff. They would obviously have keys for their own kiosks, and might be able to open part of the station to access the kiosks or take deliveries, but there’s usually no need for them to be opening up ticket offices or platform access.

I'm sure that I remember previous discussion on here about a station that was routinely opened by a staff member of one of the shops - the discussion arose as a result of them not turning up one morning and the station not being opened in time. There's something at the back of my mind telling me that the station was East Croydon, but that seems like far too major a station for something like that to be the routine.

East Croydon is staffed 24/7/365 (yes, even Christmas Day...) and has been for many, many years - so I doubt it was there. You may be thinking of Tulse Hill, which occasionally used to have issues with staff turning up, though I can’t remember if they were shop staff or the station staff. Needless to say, “something was done” about that.

On almost all the Docklands Light railway the stations are ungated, and lit, 24x7. Never seen any issue as a result, despite it being inner-city.

In terms of design and operation, many of them are more like tram stops, really. Very few of those would close overnight.

The old GWR, and BR Western Region, had Halts, with no staff or locks but they had lighting. It was turned on by the guard of the last daylight train, and off by that of the last train. If there was a regular evening passenger they were shown the switch and trusted to turn them off after everyone else had left, and then grope their way to the road. Never heard of any problem. Some to the end still had oil lamps, but these were times when passengers still knew what to do with those.

Some stations have lights on timers or sensors now. Sensors aren’t usually too bad, but timers are a complete nuisance - they regularly get reset by power blips/cuts or maintenance work, then dusk falls and some poor soul has to spend their evening coordinating electricians and emergency lighting.
 
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