I saw 195007 sitting empty on platform 5 (the bay) at Oxford Road at around 08:15 yesterday. Not sure what it was doing there. It was coupled but I couldn't see the rear unit to confirm the number.
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Northern Class 195: Initial Diagrams
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It would have been coupled to 195001, since 001 and 007 are the only 195/0s known to have seen passenger service. I saw the pair yesterday myself working the 1616 Liverpool - Airport.
The pair are scheduled to work 0709SuX Lime Street - Oxford Road, this is a semi-fast, although it does call at Widnes and Irlam in addition to the standard calling points of Liverpool South Parkway, Warrington Central, and Birchwood. Arrival (in P5 at Ox Road) is scheduled for 0805, and departure for 0912. Again, this is a semi-fast, and it only makes the standard semi-fast stops.
On the normal cycle you would expect there to be a 0716 Liverpool - Airport and 0850 return - I don't know why this particular journey stops short at Oxford Road. While it is resting in P5, the 0816, 0846, and 0916 CLC stoppers are required to depart P3.
The pair are scheduled to work 0709SuX Lime Street - Oxford Road, this is a semi-fast, although it does call at Widnes and Irlam in addition to the standard calling points of Liverpool South Parkway, Warrington Central, and Birchwood. Arrival (in P5 at Ox Road) is scheduled for 0805, and departure for 0912. Again, this is a semi-fast, and it only makes the standard semi-fast stops.
On the normal cycle you would expect there to be a 0716 Liverpool - Airport and 0850 return - I don't know why this particular journey stops short at Oxford Road. While it is resting in P5, the 0816, 0846, and 0916 CLC stoppers are required to depart P3.
Thanks for the info. That explains that then. Hadn’t realised that one was scheduled to terminate there. I thought there might have been more door drama and it had been taken out of service or something at first.
There's another scheduled 195 departure from P5 at Oxford Road, that being the 1018Su Oxford Road - Liverpool (semi-fast). One of the forummers says it's diagrammed for the two 195/0s, but I'm pretty sure they haven't actually operated it yet - since the start of the present schedules (18/8/19) it's invariably been a single 195/1.
From 15/9/19 there'll be at least another one 195 starting at Oxford Road, operating the 1153Su to Windermere - at present it starts at the Airport. It's scheduled to arrive from Barrow at 1055, then to go down to Trafford Park East Junction to while away an hour or so.
From 15/9/19 there'll be at least another one 195 starting at Oxford Road, operating the 1153Su to Windermere - at present it starts at the Airport. It's scheduled to arrive from Barrow at 1055, then to go down to Trafford Park East Junction to while away an hour or so.
Philip
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Why have units 101, 103, 107, 109 and 110 not entered passenger service yet, despite being amongst the first units to be delivered?
superkev
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As reported somewhere above 195s are due to operate along the Calder Valley to Chester and Wigan before the end of the year.
Anyone know if 2, 3 or 4 car trains are proposed.
Thanks
K
Anyone know if 2, 3 or 4 car trains are proposed.
Thanks
K
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York Press reports that 195 introductions (with a picture of a 331) are to begin on Monday on Blackpool services. https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/17880006.northern-launches-new-trains-york/
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From the December timetable change it would appear the 1712 Leeds - Manchester Victoria will be a double set as it splits at Victoria. I'd hope there would be no booked single 2 car 195s on the Calder Valley - although there can't be many services where there would be acceptable?
A funny question, perhaps, but does anyone know if there is a 3,000 post limit on individual threads on this forum? Someone is recorded as having posted on the construction & updates thread, but it hasn't appeared, and the post total happens to be 3,000.
A surprising number of cancellations on Barrow/Windermere yesterday, to say it was a Thursday, but only about half were ascribed to staffing issues.
The following list is thought to be complete.
0559 Lancaster - Windermere departed 25L and terminated at Kendal
0643 Windermere - Oxenholme started from Kendal
0647 Barrow - Airport terminated at Preston
0929 Airport - Barrow started at Preston
0956 Windermere - Airport terminated at Preston
1229 Airport - Barrow started at Preston
1446 Barrow - Airport terminated at Preston
1729 Airport - Windermere started at Preston
1855 Windermere - Airport terminated at Preston
2234 Airport - Blackpool North cancelled completely*
*This journey doesn't go to either Barrow or Windermere but it's covered by a Barrow/Windermere diagram.
Note the journey terminated at Kendal, something I haven't seen before.
Yesterday afternoon, at least, one diagram was being covered by a 156.
The following list is thought to be complete.
0559 Lancaster - Windermere departed 25L and terminated at Kendal
0643 Windermere - Oxenholme started from Kendal
0647 Barrow - Airport terminated at Preston
0929 Airport - Barrow started at Preston
0956 Windermere - Airport terminated at Preston
1229 Airport - Barrow started at Preston
1446 Barrow - Airport terminated at Preston
1729 Airport - Windermere started at Preston
1855 Windermere - Airport terminated at Preston
2234 Airport - Blackpool North cancelled completely*
*This journey doesn't go to either Barrow or Windermere but it's covered by a Barrow/Windermere diagram.
Note the journey terminated at Kendal, something I haven't seen before.
Yesterday afternoon, at least, one diagram was being covered by a 156.
Not 100% on Airport - Liverpool, either, but only one round trip missed completely.
1416 Liverpool - Airport departed 19L, terminated at Oxford Road, 29L
1550 Airport - Liverpool started at Oxford Road
1616 Liverpool - Airport cancelled completely
1750 Airport - Liverpool cancelled completely
The 1616 and 1750 journeys are diagrammed for the two 195/0s.
The 1516 ex-Liverpool was a double 195/1, as scheduled, and RTT indicates that the 0613 was, too.
1416 Liverpool - Airport departed 19L, terminated at Oxford Road, 29L
1550 Airport - Liverpool started at Oxford Road
1616 Liverpool - Airport cancelled completely
1750 Airport - Liverpool cancelled completely
The 1616 and 1750 journeys are diagrammed for the two 195/0s.
The 1516 ex-Liverpool was a double 195/1, as scheduled, and RTT indicates that the 0613 was, too.
Philip
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So reading this, are 195s going to be used on the Wigan to Leeds services, instead of 170s?
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I understood the Leeds - Wigan would be 158 operated. However with the Leeds - Manchester Airport and Bradford - Liverpool services now not operating from December there should be additional 195s available
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I'll be amazed if this happens on Monday as very few east side drivers sign 195s yet. May be its a token service for the press or Northern use east side drivers.
K
I see that 'Journey Check' is currently showing Diagram 6 (Airport - Liverpool) as being formed of two carriages - I can only presume it's a Sprinter covering. What's more frightening, the diagram looks as though it isn't going to be strengthened for the 1516 ex-Lime Street and 1645 ex-Airport. Two carriages instead of the diagrammed six, I know that's happened before, but it's not going to go down very well.
Philip
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I'm beginning to think the 195s will slowly get drawn into the 'Northern random unit generator' and used on various regional express and commuter/local routes alongside Sprinters and 158s, with the whole 'Northern Connect' theme gradually being played down and eventually disappearing. Once the 195s have lost their initial 'newness', there will be a whole host of Sprinter/Pacer routes which 195s will be suitable for.
The 1516 and 1645 are now showing as 'formed of the usual number of coaches'. That's quite a recovery!
Whilst these routes wont be operating, production and introduction delays mean Northern won't have it's full fleet of 195s available in December that was initially planned when these routes were announced.
Very few cancellations on Barrow/Windermere services today, certainly on the Airport - Preston section. The only such cancellations I can find involve the 1934 Barrow - Airport, terminated at Oxford Road, and 2210 Airport - Barrow, started at Oxford Road.
The 2226 Windermere - Preston was terminated at Lancaster.
The 1804 Barrow - Lancaster was cancelled completely, and the return 1913 Lancaster - Millom was started at Barrow. The 2042 Barrow - Preston was terminated at Lancaster, and the 2211 Preston - Barrow started at Lancaster. These latter two round trips are Sprinter operated.
The few cancellations, and a significant amount of late running, have mainly been put down to a points failure, just where I know not.
Perhaps someone has decided that the Furness line has suffered enough and it is time to give it some priority. The Blackpool line seems to have instead taken more than its share of the cuts.
The 2226 Windermere - Preston was terminated at Lancaster.
The 1804 Barrow - Lancaster was cancelled completely, and the return 1913 Lancaster - Millom was started at Barrow. The 2042 Barrow - Preston was terminated at Lancaster, and the 2211 Preston - Barrow started at Lancaster. These latter two round trips are Sprinter operated.
The few cancellations, and a significant amount of late running, have mainly been put down to a points failure, just where I know not.
Perhaps someone has decided that the Furness line has suffered enough and it is time to give it some priority. The Blackpool line seems to have instead taken more than its share of the cuts.
After the lull, the storm. The full casualty list for Barrow/Windermere, up to now (and even slightly into the future!), reads as follows.
0833 Airport - Windermere started at Preston
0947 Barrow - Airport cancelled completely
1047 Barrow - Airport terminated at Preston
1241 Airport - Barrow started at Preston
1308 Windermere - Airport terminated at Lancaster (running ECS from there to Barrow)
1334 Airport - Barrow started at Preston
1533 Airport - Barrow cancelled completely
So, of the first fourteen scheduled arrivals/departures at/from Manchester Airport, exactly half have been cancelled to/from at least Preston. Taking the services as a whole, the cancellations represent about a third of the scheduled journeys.
0833 Airport - Windermere started at Preston
0947 Barrow - Airport cancelled completely
1047 Barrow - Airport terminated at Preston
1241 Airport - Barrow started at Preston
1308 Windermere - Airport terminated at Lancaster (running ECS from there to Barrow)
1334 Airport - Barrow started at Preston
1533 Airport - Barrow cancelled completely
So, of the first fourteen scheduled arrivals/departures at/from Manchester Airport, exactly half have been cancelled to/from at least Preston. Taking the services as a whole, the cancellations represent about a third of the scheduled journeys.
The 1851 Barrow - Preston is now showing as cancelled, too.
103 107 109 are training units at the moment not sure about other two .
I don't think there was even a plan to use the 170s on this route (at least not that I've heard of)
There was in the early days of the proposals for improvement to Northern services. But we’re talking a few years now.
Fair enough if it was planned a long time ago for the 170s to go on those services which is probably why I've not heard of it before and I only know of the recent plans for the 170s (by that I mean the plan as of the May 2019 timetable change)
An additional cancellation today of 195-diagrammed journeys are 2016 Liverpool - Airport and 2151 return.
What do you make of this? It's coming up on 'Journey Check' that the 1947 Barrow - Airport will not be calling at Wigan North Western due to shortage of a train crew. What does that mean, do you think? Available crew sign via Bolton, but not via Wigan? Time will tell. There's nothing untoward showing on RTT at the moment.
What do you make of this? It's coming up on 'Journey Check' that the 1947 Barrow - Airport will not be calling at Wigan North Western due to shortage of a train crew. What does that mean, do you think? Available crew sign via Bolton, but not via Wigan? Time will tell. There's nothing untoward showing on RTT at the moment.
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