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Disused tunnel just south of Sheffield station?

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Hi everyone,

As you depart Sheffield station heading south there is a siding that appears to end at a tunnel mouth. Can anyone confirm whether it is a tunnel mouth and if so where it led to?

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Hi everyone,

As you depart Sheffield station heading south there is a siding that appears to end at a tunnel mouth. Can anyone confirm whether it is a tunnel mouth and if so where it led to?

Thanks for reading this.
It used to be the Down Fast (?) line which ran parallel with the other lines but at an increasingly lower level before diving under what used to be the slow lines. The structure in question wasn’t any longer than those on the adjacent lines though.
 

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It used to be the Down Fast (?) line which ran parallel with the other lines but at an increasingly lower level before diving under what used to be the slow lines. The structure in question wasn’t any longer than those on the adjacent lines though.
Many thanks for this. Does the old dive under still exist or has it all been filled in? Do you know what date it closed?
 

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Many thanks for this. Does the old dive under still exist or has it all been filled in? Do you know what date it closed?
There’s very few other signs of it. I’m doubting myself now though - I’m pretty sure that it emerged again (around the back of B&Q) at a lower level before diving under, but I’m trying to find an old map to prove or disprove that. Watch this space!
 

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There's this cab video where the train arrives at Sheffield using the flyunder (7:55):


It has been speeded up and audio replaced unfortunately but you can use YouTube's controls to slow down or pause the video.
 

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The dive-under was built as part of the scheme between 1900 - 1905 to increase track capacity in the Sheffield area. The original double track between Sheffield and Dore & Totley was increased to four, with new lines being built on the east side of the originals. At the same time, Sheffield station was extended and rebuilt to provide a new frontage on to Pond Street and additional platform capacity. Manchester traffic was to be allocated mainly to the original lines towards Dore & Totley and London traffic to the new lines. To bring the Down Fast line across to the west of the station (the Platform 1 side), a dive-under was built between Queens Road and Sheffield South No.1 boxes.

A diagram of Sheffield South No.1 box showing the dive-under may be found here: http://www.lymmobservatory.net/railways/sbdiagrams/sheffield_south_no1_q55a.jpg
and of photo of Queens Road box showing the dive-under looking towards Sheffield may be found here: https://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/forums/uploads/monthly_03_2009/post-5575-1237650773.jpg

The dive-under was closed and the running lines reduced to two (except for the Heeley Loop) in the early 1970s as part of the Sheffield resignalling scheme. I think that the siding leading to the tunnel is what is now called the "shunt spur" in this photo of part of the old PSB panel, though perhaps others can confirm.
 

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The dive-under was closed and the running lines reduced to two (except for the Heeley Loop) in the early 1970s as part of the Sheffield resignalling scheme. I think that the siding leading to the tunnel is what is now called the "shunt spur" in this photo of part of the old PSB panel, though perhaps others can confirm.
Just to confirm, yes, the shunt spur now occupies the former alignment, which is also where the wash plant resides.
 

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There's this cab video where the train arrives at Sheffield using the flyunder (7:55):


It has been speeded up and audio replaced unfortunately but you can use YouTube's controls to slow down or pause the video.

wow - I must have used this quite a few times, but have forgotten all detail of the entry to Sheffield. I bet that film brings back waves of nostalgia for any footplate crew who remember it. And in steam days the driver must have been desperate for the smoke to clear so he could get a view of the three way signals at 8.03 which presumably controlled the south station throat and which platform trains entered.

7.50 is Dore and Totley of old (Killingworth - you may have a short cry here).
What was the station at 7.54 - closed in this film. And there's another at 7.56.
 

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There’s very few other signs of it. I’m doubting myself now though - I’m pretty sure that it emerged again (around the back of B&Q) at a lower level before diving under, but I’m trying to find an old map to prove or disprove that. Watch this space!
In that area you can see what I think is the top of the buried retaining wall where the diveunder ramped upwards (in the northbound direction of travel) on the west side of the tracks. The bridge itself must have been somewhere around the B&Q car park and south of that there is a gap between the tracks where the descending ramp would have been, but as far as I'm aware no visible trace of this part.
 

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Does that mean four tracking south of Sheffield would require a new tunnel under the road just to the north of the dive under for the westernmost track, as it would now be at a higher level?
 

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Does that mean four tracking south of Sheffield would require a new tunnel under the road just to the north of the dive under for the westernmost track, as it would now be at a higher level?
I think at least the bridge would need replacing - there's probably no electrification clearance anyway. However the formation further south isn't wide enough for more than three tracks so that may be all it ever gets, and this section is three-track already.
 

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I think at least the bridge would need replacing - there's probably no electrification clearance anyway. However the formation further south isn't wide enough for more than three tracks so that may be all it ever gets, and this section is three-track already.
Where isn’t it wide enough for 4? If it’s just the shops it seems a lack of ambition to hold up such an improvement due to some cheap tin sheds.
 

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The dive-under was built as part of the scheme between 1900 - 1905 to increase track capacity in the Sheffield area. The original double track between Sheffield and Dore & Totley was increased to four, with new lines being built on the east side of the originals. At the same time, Sheffield station was extended and rebuilt to provide a new frontage on to Pond Street and additional platform capacity. Manchester traffic was to be allocated mainly to the original lines towards Dore & Totley and London traffic to the new lines. To bring the Down Fast line across to the west of the station (the Platform 1 side), a dive-under was built between Queens Road and Sheffield South No.1 boxes.
The new lines were brought into use at the end of October 1901. Paradoxically, the old pair of lines, now the Manchester lines, were designated the fast lines and the new pair, the Chesterfield lines, became the slow line. This was not changed until 1954, when the designations were reversed. Whilst the widening of the running lines from Dore was on the east side, the expansion of Sheffield station (construction of platforms 1 and 2) was on the west side, so the diveunder was provided to bring the overwhelming majority of the longer and heavier trains from the south into the new "Hausbahnsteig" with no conflict with the down Manchester line. So the layout ended up with the Manchester lines running into the new island platform 2/5 and merging with the Chesterfield lines at the north end (pending the widening there that was planned but never done) and the London lines serving platforms 1, 6, and 8.
The original Sheffield layout had what is now the platform 5 line as the "Hausbahnsteig", then a pair of through lines (which were changed early on to sidings) and the platform 6 line as tghe up platform line. Behind the station was a pair of goods lines, the up goods largely on the site of the present platform 8 line, the only trace of the down goods being the site of what later became the bay platform line set into the north end of platform 8.
Those were still the days when the major companies were planning and building generous layouts for the easy handling of future traffic, not layouts pared back to an absolute minimum in an expectation that everything would always work perfectly and there would be no growth, like the Ordsall Chord / Castlefield Corridor set-up in Manchester today.
 

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Where isn’t it wide enough for 4? If it’s just the shops it seems a lack of ambition to hold up such an improvement due to some cheap tin sheds.
That's what has always struck me. It seems to be just the one point, where the two supermarkets lie on either side of the line, that the formation is impinged upon, and the buildings doing the impinging don't seem to be major structures. If this were for HS2 they'd be dealing with it ...
 

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In the current climate Tesco’s might actually be happy with having a new smaller store - a lot of the big sheds are now too big for the market.
 

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There's plenty of foliage through there, and aerial photos suggest there is space for 4 tracks between the two supermarkets, the issue though being the southern archer road bridge which isn't aligned to that gap. A new bridge though with more space to the east and you could be in with a chance.

If you wanted to go back to the original alignment, there's several other buildings south of Tesco that would also need demolishing, including one very anonymous looking red brick building.
 
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